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 <title>Beauty and the Existence of God</title>
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&lt;p&gt;
The existence of beauty suggests that a God
exists and that He is good. It is not a sufficient proof for the
existence of God by itself, but a confirmation of His existence to
those with other reasons and personal experiences that suggest His
reality. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
From Plato to C.S. Lewis, creation as a whole has been viewed as marvelously elegant.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The harmonious plan of the cosmos allows for variation and freedom
for created beings. There is a fundamental pattern and order to
creation, but also room for the unexpected within the design plan. Too
much regularity would seem stagnant, so thankfully the created order
also shows variability and the marvelously engineered capacity to adapt
and change.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
So delightful is the universe that elegant mathematical and
scientific theories work better in explaining it than inelegant ones.
It is no accident that scientists discover that more elegant theories
are more useful in the “real world” than less beautiful ones.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
These observations suggest an engineer, or artist, behind the
cosmos. But is this just a useful natural adaptation? After all, we
tend to care for beautiful things, and so it would be to our advantage
to develop a liking for the ecosystem that sustains us.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
But humans do not just find their local environment pleasing. They
also discover that new areas of the cosmos, where humankind has never
been, are beautiful. When my son first went up in a plane and saw
“cloud land,” he turned to me with wonder and said, “It is so
beautiful.” It was not surprising to him, because even though this land
above the clouds would have been unknown to all but the most recent
humans, we expect beauty when we come to new vistas and are rarely
disappointed. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Gratuitous beauty, beauty that could have no survival value for
humankind, exists! Both when we dive to the bottom of the ocean, and
when we see distant corners of space, we find stark and weird things,
never before known, but clearly lovely. At this point it would surprise
us if we found a corner of the cosmos that was not beautiful. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
That superabundance of beauty is a hint that a good and loving God may exist.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Ugliness also appears to us at times, but the ugly is less
fundamental than beautiful. Ugliness exists as a twisting of the
beautiful created order. This truth is taught in Scripture, but can
also be observed in creation: every unborn child will grow to express
the divine image unless their development is aborted by sin.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Viewed with the widest scope humans possess, the cosmos shows
awe-inspiring beauty, and this beauty is repeated in the most focused
examination of the basic elements of that massive structure. It is only
in the middle, where we find humankind, at the level of choice and
agency, that the pattern of beauty is twisted and marred. Yet, even
there, the staggering ability of humankind to create beauty based on
the common image of God within us reminds us that it is beauty that is
fundamentally real.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
For a Biblical Christian existence is good and goodness is
beautiful. As a result nothing created can be wholly bad or utterly
ugly. Even the most shattered part of creation remains part of the
beautiful whole, made from the beautiful elements of creation. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Parts of creation, especially humans, require redemption. But even
the image of God in fallen man, shattered though it is, retains enough
beauty to remind the keen observer of God.
&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:52:21 -0800</pubDate>
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 <title>Flotation Devices and Prophets</title>
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 <description>When you are sitting on an airplane with your seat belt fastened and
your seat and tray in upright position, you may have noticed the words
on the bottom of the pull-out tray: “In case of emergency: Use seat
cushion as flotation device.” I don’t know about you, but those words
have never comforted me.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Sure, as this plane plummets at a
gazillion miles an hour towards the ocean, I am going to rip my seat
cushion off of the chair and say, “Wow, I am glad I have this.” I doubt
I will even have a chance to use it. When I read, “In case of an
emergency,” I think, “I am not going to survive the emergency, so who
needs the just ‘in case’ item.”&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Many people think that faith is a “just in case of
emergency” thing. “When things go bad, I’ll grab my ‘faith’ flotation
device—that will help me.” But by the time we have even realized that
we are in a faith emergency, our plane has already crashed. When things
go bad, you may not get a chance to place your faith in Christ. We try
and tell ourselves, “I’ll come back to Jesus later,” or “I will seek
God later,” but what if there is no &amp;quot;later?&amp;quot; What if there is no second
chance?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I am getting on a plane to Boston this morning to go and
present a paper at a conference. Because of that I have been thinking
about my stance with God. How will He feel about me when all is said
and done? Have I treated God too many times like He is a “in case of
emergency” measure? The hope of pearly white
gates won’t get me to God. It is my faith in Christ and my subsequent
actions that will lead me to Him. The infinite things of God will not
just come later,&lt;a href=&quot;/life-with-god/seeing-the-infinite-in-everything&quot; onclick=&quot;window.open(&#039;/life-with-god/seeing-the-infinite-in-everything&#039;,&#039;&#039;,&#039;&#039;);return false;&quot;&gt; the Infinite God is here&lt;/a&gt;; He is now.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Look around; the
world desires to see the Infinite God in everything. People are
searching for Him everywhere. The emergency is now. Our world is
hurting. People are dying. The poor are oppressed. The voice of God is
rarely heard, and is more rarely felt. We can’t just put off our
relationship with Christ expecting to come back to it later when it is
convenient. We have to do something now.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The &lt;a href=&quot;/life-with-god/gods-bissell-and-the-mystical&quot; onclick=&quot;window.open(&#039;/life-with-god/gods-bissell-and-the-mystical&#039;,&#039;&#039;,&#039;&#039;);return false;&quot;&gt;prophets saw this&lt;/a&gt;,
they felt it, and &lt;a href=&quot;/life-with-god/prophets-running-wild-in-society&quot; onclick=&quot;window.open(&#039;/life-with-god/prophets-running-wild-in-society&#039;,&#039;&#039;,&#039;&#039;);return false;&quot;&gt;they did something about it&lt;/a&gt;. When Isaiah prophesies
against Hezekiah during the Assyrian King Sennacherib’s invasion of
Judah, he was not joking around (&lt;a href=&quot;http://bible.logos.com/passage/esv/isaiah36.1&quot; onclick=&quot;window.open(&#039;http://bible.logos.com/passage/esv/isaiah36.1&#039;,&#039;&#039;,&#039;&#039;);return false;&quot;&gt;Isaiah 36&lt;/a&gt;).
This was not a “just in case” situation—It was an emergency. Hezekiah
needed to hear God, and he needed to respond. Likewise, we today need
to hear God. We need to call out to Him and obey the prophetic word He
has placed on our hearts. Today is a faith emergency.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I leave you with Paul’s words in &lt;a href=&quot;http://bible.logos.com/passage/esv/1Cor15.50&quot; onclick=&quot;window.open(&#039;http://bible.logos.com/passage/esv/1Cor15.50&#039;,&#039;&#039;,&#039;&#039;);return false;&quot;&gt;1 Corinthians 15:50&lt;/a&gt;:
“Therefore, my beloved brothers and sisters, be steadfast, immovable,
always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that in the Lord your
labor is not in vain.”
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 <category domain="http://www.conversantlife.com/taxonomy/term/37">Theology</category>
 <pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:00:00 -0800</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>John Barry</dc:creator>
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&lt;p&gt;
The Old Testament acknowledges the existence
of economic, not racial, slavery in the ancient world and attempts to
regulate it. The New Testament undermines the economic viability of
slavery by calling for slaves to be treated as “brothers,” but does not
call for immediate abolition. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Why not? 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The Bible attacks slavery and many other social injustices
indirectly. The main focus of the Bible is not human culture, but the
relationship between God and humankind. The Bible prioritizes healing
the dying soul over dealing with corrupt cultures. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
God also recognizes that revolutionary change in human institutions often produces more harm than good.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The fallen world is full of great social evils and humans are busy
thinking up new ones every day. Scripture does provide general
principles that can be applied to specific cases with the potential to
bring about large cultural change, but slowly and over time.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
However, since God is most interested in changed hearts and eternal
salvation, the Bible does not consist of regulations covering every
aspect of life. Instead, God commands and forbids some very basic
behaviors and begins the long process of revealing His nature and will
to free will beings. The simple lesson of monotheism was difficult
enough for the ancient peoples to understand.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Eventually, embracing monotheism undermines slavery: since it
demands allegiance to God and the divine will, it places each
individual human being on an equal footing. All people are essentially
equal before God. Slavery, one person “owning” another as property, is
deeply incompatible with this basic truth. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The slavery of the ancient world at the time of the writing of
Scripture was economic or military. Losers ended up slaves whether in
bankruptcy or defeat. Civilization, and the hope of future progress
that goes with it, often depends on highly structured and, by modern
standards, rigid social hierarchies. The technology simply did not
exist to support a culture as free as is possible in modern times.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Economic slavery is an evil, but not the worst possible evil. The
economies of the ancient world were not just and revolved around
slavery. But since Greek and Roman people lacked the moral training and
economic sophistication to handle a fully free civilization, immediate
abolition would have led to social unrest, starvation, and a collapse
in civilization. God is a good educator and teaches His lessons as
quickly as He can, but He must teach the students He has and not the
students we wish He had.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The Bible treats the slave as a human being capable of his or her
own relationship with God. Old Testament modification of slavery
demanded righteous treatment, undercutting economic justification for
bad treatment. By the time Paul asked a master to treat his slave as a
“brother,” there was little chance that slavery could long survive
amongst Biblically consistent Christians. Over time slavery died out in
Christian lands until it experienced a sickening revival with
race-based slavery. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Racial slavery finds no justification in Scripture and is much worse
than economic slavery. The race-based slave has his or her basic
humanity called into question. As a result there was a much stronger
argument for immediate abolition of race-based slavery, regardless of
the cost. Slavery in the United States occurred far enough along in the
Christian era that it stood as an affront to moral progress. As the
results of the American Civil War proved, slavery was not necessary for
sustaining nineteenth century social order. Indeed, race based slavery
undermined the health of any area cursed with its evil as an
institution.
&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:48:07 -0800</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>John Mark Reynolds</dc:creator>
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 <title>On the Comprehensibility of God (Part 2)</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;
&lt;img src=&quot;http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3243/3030941225_6d4cc42315.jpg?v=0&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; hspace=&quot;10&quot; vspace=&quot;10&quot; width=&quot;250&quot; height=&quot;200&quot; align=&quot;right&quot; /&gt;In &lt;a href=&quot;/theology/on-the-comprehensibility-of-god-part-1&quot;&gt;my last post&lt;/a&gt;, I referred to theologian Elizabeth Johnson&#039;s claim that God is &amp;quot;incomprehensible, unfathomable, limitless, ineffable, [and] beyond description.&amp;quot; The key problem with her assertion is that she muddles two senses in which God is said to be incomprehensible. The first sense of divine incomprehensibility expresses the theologically modest insight that one can never possess exhaustive knowledge about God. He is too great and his being is too deep to be described &lt;em&gt;in toto&lt;/em&gt;; he is &lt;em&gt;ultimately&lt;/em&gt; incomprehensible. However, the second sense expresses austere skepticism with regard to one&#039;s ability to genuinely know or properly articulate anything about God. In other words, he is &lt;em&gt;utterly&lt;/em&gt; incomprehensible.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;
The Problem with Utter Incomprehensibility&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Yet, while ultimate incomprehensibility is uncontroversial, utter incomprehensibility is seriously flawed because describing something as indescribable or comprehending of something as wholly incomprehensible involves a contradiction. It is self-defeating to define God as a being that cannot be defined. The theological pessimist undermines her position in the acts of describing, defining, and comprehending.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Johnson, however, may endorse the subtler notion that human concepts only apply to things in the world of human experience but, since God transcends the world, human concepts cannot apply to God. This is to say that, in utilizing worldy concepts to refer to the matchless and unique God, we &amp;quot;reduce divine reality to an idol.&amp;quot; If we say that God is like anything in the world, we commit idolatry.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
But, this modified version of utter incomprehensibility also has a fatal flaw: to say that no human concept can apply to God is to say that one concept does, indeed, apply to God; namely, according to philosopher Thomas Morris, &amp;quot;the concept of being such as to escape characterization by human concepts&amp;quot; (&lt;em&gt;Our Idea of God: An Introduction to Philosophical Theology&lt;/em&gt; [Downers Grove, Illinois: InterVarsity Press, 1991], 21). Moreover, it&#039;s almost certainly false that human concepts only apply to matters of human experience. We develop concepts about a number of things that we do not, or cannot, experience like numbers, Martians, and Abraham Lincoln.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;
The Problem with Restricted Comprehensibility&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Given that utter incomprehensibility fails, the pessimist may opt for restricted comprehensibility by claiming that &lt;em&gt;almost&lt;/em&gt; nothing can be known about God. The problem is that, ironically, one must know quite a bit about God in order to affirm restricted comprehensiblity. Besides, those who believe that humanity bears the divine image have a good reason to be optimistic about the prospect of possessing a clear concept of God. We are designed to know him.
&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:52:14 -0800</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Sanjay Merchant</dc:creator>
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 <title>On the Comprehensibility of God (Part 1)</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;
&lt;img src=&quot;http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3290/3015622792_982241be53.jpg?v=0&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; hspace=&quot;10&quot; vspace=&quot;10&quot; width=&quot;250&quot; height=&quot;200&quot; align=&quot;right&quot; /&gt;There is a longstanding suspicion that claims about God go beyond the limits of knowledge. Is it possible to know that God loves us, or that he is all powerful, or that he is known through Jesus Christ, or that he is a &amp;quot;he,&amp;quot; let alone that he exists? Some individuals insist that we &lt;em&gt;can&lt;/em&gt; know a number of important things about God; Scripture, philosophical reflection, and mystical experience are typically thought to be essential sources of insight about the divine nature. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Others, however, are doubtful that we can know many significant things, while still others are downright pessimistic that we can know anything at all. Ironically, some of the pessimists have a lot to say about God. For example, the Catholic, feminist theologian Elizabeth Johnson expresses doubt about the viability of God-talk from the outset of her recent book, &lt;em&gt;Quest for the Living God&lt;/em&gt;: 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
	The very nature of what is being sought is incomprehensible, unfathomable, limitless, ineffable, beyond description. The living God literally cannot be compared with anything in the world. To do so is to reduce divine reality to an idol. The divine magnitude means that no matter how much we know, the human mind can never capture the whole of the living God in a net of concepts, images, or definitions, or preside over the reality of God in even the most exalted doctrines.... If you have fully figured out who God is, then you are dealing with something else, some lesser reality (&lt;em&gt;Quest for the Living God: Mapping Frontiers in the Theology of God&lt;/em&gt; [New York: The Continuum International Publishing Group, Inc., 2008], 12-13). 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
What do you make of this claim?  Is Johnson is completely right, partially right, or completely wrong? I&#039;ll share my thoughts in &lt;a href=&quot;/theology/on-the-comprehensibility-of-god-part-2&quot;&gt;my next post&lt;/a&gt;. 
&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 03:59:59 -0800</pubDate>
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&lt;![endif]--&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Calibri&#039;,&#039;sans-serif&#039;&quot;&gt;Pantheism, Deism, Darwinism, Atheism,
Agnosticism—whoever you are, wherever you are at, there’s a label for you. I often
get pinned with Pantheist, or something like it, because I use phrases like “seeing
the Infinite God in everything.” Let’s take a moment and see if I &lt;em&gt;really&lt;/em&gt;
am a pantheist. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Calibri&#039;,&#039;sans-serif&#039;&quot;&gt;We could examine some Greek literature, and
see if the way I view God is equivalent to ancient pantheists, but I will spare
you, since that answer is definitively: No, I don’t view God the same way as
most people in the Graeco-Roman world. Let’s instead examine two modern definitions
of pantheism, and see if I fit into either one of them.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
	&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal&quot; class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
	&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Calibri&#039;,&#039;sans-serif&#039;&quot;&gt;pan•the•ism&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Calibri&#039;,&#039;sans-serif&#039;&quot;&gt; \&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Arial&#039;,&#039;sans-serif&#039;&quot;&gt;ˈ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Calibri&#039;,&#039;sans-serif&#039;&quot;&gt;pan(t)-thē-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Arial&#039;,&#039;sans-serif&#039;&quot;&gt;ˌ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Calibri&#039;,&#039;sans-serif&#039;&quot;&gt;i-z&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Arial&#039;,&#039;sans-serif&#039;&quot;&gt;ə&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Calibri&#039;,&#039;sans-serif&#039;&quot;&gt;m\ n&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 12pt&quot;&gt; [F &lt;em&gt;panthéisme,&lt;/em&gt; fr. &lt;em&gt;panthéiste&lt;/em&gt;
	pantheist, fr. E &lt;em&gt;pantheist,&lt;/em&gt; fr. &lt;em&gt;pan-&lt;/em&gt; + Gk &lt;em&gt;theos&lt;/em&gt; god]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;
	&lt;/p&gt;
	&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: normal&quot; class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
	&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 12pt&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 12pt&quot;&gt;           &lt;strong&gt;: &lt;/strong&gt;a
	doctrine that equates God with the forces and laws of the universe &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;
	&lt;/p&gt;
	&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: normal&quot; class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
	&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 12pt&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 12pt&quot;&gt;           &lt;strong&gt;: &lt;/strong&gt;the
	worship of all gods of different creeds, cults, or peoples indifferently &lt;em&gt;also&lt;/em&gt;
	&lt;strong&gt;: &lt;/strong&gt;toleration of worship of all gods (as at certain periods of the
	Roman empire) — &lt;strong&gt;pan•the•ist&lt;/strong&gt; \-thē-ist\ n — &lt;strong&gt;pan•the•is•tic&lt;/strong&gt; \&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#039;Arial&#039;,&#039;sans-serif&#039;&quot;&gt;ˌ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 12pt&quot;&gt;pan(t)-thē-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#039;Arial&#039;,&#039;sans-serif&#039;&quot;&gt;ˈ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 12pt&quot;&gt;is-tik\ &lt;em&gt;also&lt;/em&gt; &lt;strong&gt;pan•the•is•ti•cal&lt;/strong&gt;
	\-ti-k&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#039;Arial&#039;,&#039;sans-serif&#039;&quot;&gt;ə&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 12pt&quot;&gt;l\ adj — &lt;strong&gt;pan•the•is•ti•cal•ly&lt;/strong&gt;
	\-ti-k(&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#039;Arial&#039;,&#039;sans-serif&#039;&quot;&gt;ə&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 12pt&quot;&gt;-)lē\ adv&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;
	&lt;/p&gt;
	&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: normal&quot; class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
	&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 12pt&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
	Merriam-Webster, I. (2003). &lt;em&gt;Merriam-Webster&#039;s collegiate dictionary.&lt;/em&gt;
	(Eleventh ed.). &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;
	&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal&quot; class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;So, do I fit into the first definition? Do I equate “God with the forces
and laws of the universe?” No, I do not make Him equal to the forces and laws
of the universe. However, I do believe that the first way God revealed Himself was
&lt;em&gt;through&lt;/em&gt; the forces and laws of the universe (e.g., &lt;a href=&quot;http://bible.logos.com/passage/esv/genesis1.1&quot; onclick=&quot;window.open(&#039;http://bible.logos.com/passage/esv/genesis1.1&#039;,&#039;&#039;,&#039;&#039;);return false;&quot;&gt;Genesis 1&lt;/a&gt;). I also
think this is one of the ways God continues to reveal Himself, because after all, creation is still
present. In &lt;a href=&quot;http://bible.logos.com/passage/esv/romans1.19-20&quot; onclick=&quot;window.open(&#039;http://bible.logos.com/passage/esv/romans1.19-20&#039;,&#039;&#039;,&#039;&#039;);return false;&quot;&gt;Romans
1:19-20 (ESV)&lt;/a&gt; Paul says, &amp;quot;For what can be known about God is plain to
[humanity], because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes,
namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever
since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are
without excuse.&amp;quot;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal&quot; class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal&quot; class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;
There is intentionality behind all of creation. However, that is not to
say that the intentionality is always directed at us. To believe we are at the
center is to continue in egotistical mania, which is contrary to the point of
creation. Creation is meant to lead us away from our &lt;em&gt;selfish&lt;/em&gt; nature, and
back to the &lt;em&gt;selfless&lt;/em&gt; God of the universe.
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Calibri&#039;,&#039;sans-serif&#039;&quot;&gt;Nonetheless, the leaves that fall at this
time of year show us something about God and His creation. There is something
infinite in the cycle of the world, because God has a hand in it. Leaves fall
and die, but they nurture the tree they fall from and the trees around them,
providing for future growth. Likewise, God may allow for one path in life to
fall and die out, but another will spring forward as a result of it. The
symbolism of creation may not always be the intention of it, but that does not
make one who interprets it symbolically incorrect. After all, we have to use
symbolism, metaphors and similes to describe God. Even language itself is
symbolic of what occurs in our minds and the ways we intend to communicate.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Calibri&#039;,&#039;sans-serif&#039;&quot;&gt;What about the second definition of
pantheism? Do I worship gods of different creeds, cults, or people indifferently?
No, I believe we can only fully know the Infinite God through the person of
Christ Jesus. What precisely I think is going on in different creeds, cults, or
people, is a different subject I can go into at another time. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Calibri&#039;,&#039;sans-serif&#039;&quot;&gt;God speaks in a variety of ways—through His
creation, through His book, and through the Holy Spirit. All of these must be
balanced when approaching the God of the Universe. It is kind of like America’s
system of government, when one branch (executive, legislative, or judicial) has
too much power, the whole government gets out of whack. That is why the different
branches are meant to balance and check each other.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Calibri&#039;,&#039;sans-serif&#039;&quot;&gt;Seeing the infinite in everything means
seeing God more clearly in all parts of creation and society. It means being
willing to open our eyes and realize that God first revealed Himself in creation,
then through His Son (the means of creation), and will finally reveal
Himself in the last days of this now tattered creation. A creation, which like
us created beings, will be made new. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Calibri&#039;,&#039;sans-serif&#039;&quot;&gt;In seeing God in all of this, we should be
driven to call on Him and grow closer to Him through His Son (&lt;a href=&quot;http://bible.logos.com/passage/esv/colossians1.15-20&quot; onclick=&quot;window.open(&#039;http://bible.logos.com/passage/esv/colossians1.15-20&#039;,&#039;&#039;,&#039;&#039;);return false;&quot;&gt;Colossians 1:15-20&lt;/a&gt;).
If we believe in Him and are seeking His will, the different paths we feel like
we are led down will eventually merge. Perhaps even the divergence and
convergence of His speech and revelation shows us something about Him.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Calibri&#039;,&#039;sans-serif&#039;&quot;&gt;What would your life look like if you started
looking for the Infinite God in everything? Would the paths you are led down
look a little different?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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 <link>http://www.conversantlife.com/theology/pop-atheisms-swindle</link>
 <description>&lt;p&gt;
&lt;img src=&quot;http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3016/2960793569_09b087cd19.jpg?v=0&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; hspace=&quot;10&quot; vspace=&quot;10&quot; width=&quot;250&quot; height=&quot;200&quot; align=&quot;right&quot; /&gt;Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, and Sam Harris have recently published wildly popular books attacking belief in God. This Troika of Secularism emphatically rejects theism and insists that the rest of us should as well. They are, in fact, evangelistic atheists; or more precisely, &amp;quot;anti-theists.&amp;quot; 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The reflective believer would be foolish to underestimate the impact that they and their ilk are having on the public&#039;s perception of faith, in general, and Christianity, in particular. Their works contain a tangled convergence of insightful criticism, sophomoric philosophizing, and raw, mean-spirited bluster which has served to, simultaneously, rally the skeptics and irk the saints. The most curious aspect of their collective project, however, is that they make almost no effort to defend atheism. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;The Presumption of Atheism: A Swindle&lt;/strong&gt; 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Apparently, they don&#039;t think atheism requires any validation. In their minds, theism has a lot of explaining to do. What about religious hypocrisy and bigotry? What about the problem of evil? And what about religion&#039;s anti-scientific disposition? Atheism, on the other hand, is depicted as a safe haven for sober rationality and the default epistemic position for any unbiased, clear-headed person. That is to say, they simply presume atheism and then demand that &amp;quot;religion&amp;quot;--a bizarre cultural force which motivates and encompasses individuals as disparate as Pat Buchanan and Osama Bin Laden--answer for the injustices that are perceived to emerge from its various amorphous doctrines. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Suffice it so say, the Troika&#039;s understanding of fundamental issues in theology and philosophy of religion ranges from uncharitable to inept. (Anyone who compares what Thomas actually argued to that which Dawkins thinks he argued can hardly disagree.) Nonetheless, they are sure that, despite the rich history of ideas which flows from classical theism, there are no compelling reasons to think that belief in God is a viable option for intelligent individuals. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
This presumption, however, is a swindle. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;How the Swindle Works&lt;/strong&gt; 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
All propositions--like &amp;quot;Crows are black&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Rosie hates Donald&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;There is no God&amp;quot;--are either true or false. Correspondingly, if we think they&#039;re true, we will believe them; if we think they&#039;re false, we will disbelieve them. Yet there is a second way to express disbelief: we can withhold judgment. Consider proposition G: &amp;quot;God exists.&amp;quot; The theist affirms G, the atheist denies G, and the soft agnostic withholds judgment about G. Moreover, by denying G, the atheist affirms ~G: &amp;quot;God does not exist.&amp;quot; The theist, of course, denies ~G and the soft agnostic, once again, witholds judgement.  
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;center&quot;&gt;
&lt;img src=&quot;/files/u814/Doxastic_Taxonomy_Of_Atheism.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; hspace=&quot;10&quot; vspace=&quot;10&quot; width=&quot;435&quot; height=&quot;250&quot; /&gt; 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Undoubtedly, the theist bears a burden of proof with regard to G and the atheist bears a burden of proof with regard to ~G. Rational people can disagree about which proposition is initially more plausible and, so, it&#039;s difficult to show that either theism or atheism is the default position. The agnostic simply waits for someone to make a compelling
case either way. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Pop-atheists, nevertheless, mask atheism&#039;s burden of proof by bringing it under the umbrella of &amp;quot;non-theism&amp;quot; with soft agnosticism. That is to say, they illicitly muddle soft agnosticism&#039;s lack of epistemic burden with atheism&#039;s positive claim; they purposely confuse belief in the non-existence of God with non-belief in the existence of God. The swindlers, in effect, want to have atheism by affirming agnosticism. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Turning the Tables&lt;/strong&gt; 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Yet the scam could run the other way. If one were to conflate soft agnosticism with theism, it could be argued that &amp;quot;non-atheism&amp;quot; is the default position and atheists must do all the proving. But this is obviously unreasonable. So Dawkins, Hitchens, and Harris cannot blithely rely on their mistaken notion that G is unproven, even if it were not. If their overtures are genuine, they must offer a positive case for ~G. 
&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 06:03:40 -0700</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Sanjay Merchant</dc:creator>
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 <title>Debunking a Classic Objection to Dualism</title>
 <link>http://www.conversantlife.com/philosophy/debunking-a-classic-objection-to-dualism</link>
 <description>&lt;p&gt;
If you&#039;ve ever taken a Philosophy 101 course and talked about philosophy of mind, you&#039;ve heard this classic objection to dualism. Dualism is the view that minds are not brains or bodies, but rather immaterial souls. According to dualism, you can exist apart from your body. According to physicalism, you cannot exist apart from your body, since you just &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; your body. Clearly Christians have a stake in this debate, since we weekly profess our belief in life after the death and destruction of our bodies. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Physicalists tend to think you are some part of your body, namely your brain. While you could exist without your arms or legs or lungs or most other parts of your body, you could not exist without your brain, they say. The brain is the &amp;quot;seat of consciousness.&amp;quot; In support of this, physicalists very often point to &lt;strong&gt;mind-brain correlations.&lt;/strong&gt; They say &amp;quot;Look, whenever you experience pain, this part of your brain lights up. And if we disable this part of your brain, you can no longer feel pain. Therefore, feeling pain just is identical with being in this brain state.&amp;quot;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Jaegwon Kim, &lt;u&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/books?id=RMiSxY6pglcC&amp;amp;printsec=frontcover#PPA81,M1&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;in his introductory book on the philosophy of mind,&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/u&gt; explains why people are attracted to physicalism:
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
	&lt;p&gt;
	[W]hy are we inclined to think that the brain is &amp;quot;the seat of our mental life,&amp;quot; as Descartes might have put it? The answer seems clear: there are pervasive and systematic psychoneural correlations, that is, correlations between mental phenomena and brain processes. 
	&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
As I said, this is a classic argument given in nearly every introductory text and class. However, it seems upon reflection to be a very &lt;em&gt;bad&lt;/em&gt; argument. The argument is roughly this:
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
(1)  For any &lt;em&gt;x&lt;/em&gt;, if &lt;em&gt;x&lt;/em&gt; is correlated with some brain event B, and if inhibiting B inhibits &lt;em&gt;x&lt;/em&gt;, then &lt;em&gt;x&lt;/em&gt; is identical with B.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
(2) Feeling pain is correlated with some brain event B, and inhibiting B inhibits feeling pain.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
(C) Therefore, feeling pain is identical with B.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
And of course they think the same goes not just with mental states like feeling pain, but with all mental states (e.g. tasting banana, thinking about hockey, etc.)
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The sad fact, however, is that (1) is false. There are many counterexamples to (1), and therefore it can&#039;t be true. Here is one counterexample:
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Walking to the store is correlated with some brain event B. And inhibiting B inhibits my walking to the store. (If you were to knock me unconscious, for example, I wouldn&#039;t be able to walk to the store.) And yet we wouldn&#039;t think for a second that walking to the store just is identical with that brain event. No, walking to the store involves much more than that brain event: it involves my legs, my eyes, my arms, etc. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
And so we have a counterexample to (1). In the case I described, the &amp;quot;IF&amp;quot; parts of (1) were satisifed, and yet the &amp;quot;THEN&amp;quot; part did not follow. But (1) says that whenever the &amp;quot;IF&amp;quot; parts are satisfied, the &amp;quot;THEN&amp;quot; part must follow. And so (1) is false.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
And so this classic objection to dualism shouldn&#039;t concern us at all. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 10:25:33 -0700</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>tamb</dc:creator>
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 <link>http://www.conversantlife.com/philosophy/closer-to-truth</link>
 <description>&lt;p&gt;
I&#039;d like to direct your attention to what looks to be a very interesting television series called &amp;quot;Closer to Truth.&amp;quot; Here&#039;s a description &lt;u&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.closertotruth.com/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;from its website&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/u&gt;:
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
	&lt;p&gt;
	Public fascination with questions of Cosmos, Consciousness and
	particularly of God has grown substantially in recent years. Public
	debate has been intense, often heated. &lt;em&gt;Closer To Truth&lt;/em&gt;
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&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot; size=&quot;3&quot; color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;In June of 2006, Barack Obama gave &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.barackobama.com/2006/06/28/call_to_renewal_keynote_address.php&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;the keynote address at the Call to Renewal&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. In this address, he clearly describes his view of the role of religion in the public square. This view is certainly not original to him; it is shared by many liberal academics. Here it is:&lt;/font&gt; 
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	&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot; size=&quot;3&quot; color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;Democracy demands that the religiously motivated translate their concerns into universal, rather than religion-specific, values. It requires that their proposals be subject to argument, and amenable to reason. I may be opposed to abortion for religious reasons, but if I seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church or evoke God&#039;s will. I have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths, including those with no faith at all.&lt;/font&gt; 
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	&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot; size=&quot;3&quot; color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;Now this is going to be difficult for some who believe in the inerrancy of the Bible, as many evangelicals do. But in a pluralistic democracy, we have no choice. Politics depends on our ability to persuade each other of common aims based on a common reality. It involves the compromise, the art of what&#039;s possible. At some fundamental level, religion does not allow for compromise. It&#039;s the art of the impossible. If God has spoken, then followers are expected to live up to God&#039;s edicts, regardless of the consequences. To base one&#039;s life on such uncompromising commitments may be sublime, but to base our policy making on such commitments would be a dangerous thing.&lt;/font&gt; 
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&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot; size=&quot;3&quot; color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;Obama argues for the following conclusion: &lt;strong&gt;Arguments in the public square cannot appeal to premises that only members of a specific religion would accept.&lt;/strong&gt; They must appeal to principles that can be evaluated by pure reason, not by any alleged divine revelation.&lt;/font&gt; 
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&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot; size=&quot;3&quot; color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;For example, according to Obama, if I’d like to publicly argue against legally permitting homosexual marriage, I cannot use as a premise something like “The Bible says that homosexuality is wrong.” Since not everyone accepts the authority of the Bible, this premise is not permissible in the public square. &lt;/font&gt;
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&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot; size=&quot;3&quot; color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;So that’s his position. And clearly that would have huge ramifications for Christians. The following would not be permissible as a premise, for example: &lt;em&gt;All men are created equal, endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights&lt;/em&gt;. That’s out, according to Obama. Arguing for prayer in public schools on the grounds that God exists and prayer is efficacious would also be out, according to Obama. Arguing against the death penalty on the basis of Romans 12:16-20 would also be out, according to Obama.&lt;/font&gt; 
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&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot; size=&quot;3&quot; color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;Alright, so much for the view. That’s what Obama believes the role of religion should be in the public square: &lt;strong&gt;Silence&lt;/strong&gt;. Religious arguments are inadmissible in Obama’s court.&lt;/font&gt; 
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&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot; size=&quot;3&quot; color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;The larger question is: Why believe this view? What argument does Obama give in favor of this conclusion? &lt;strong&gt;Why should we accept that religion should be silent in the public square?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/font&gt; 
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&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot; size=&quot;3&quot; color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;His argument, as I understand it in the above quotation, is roughly this:&lt;/font&gt; 
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	&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot; size=&quot;3&quot; color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;Democracy demands that religious appeals are inadmissible. In a pluralistic democracy, we have no choice. &lt;/font&gt;
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&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot; size=&quot;3&quot; color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;Why think that? He says, roughly:&lt;/font&gt; 
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	&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot; size=&quot;3&quot; color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;Politics depends on our ability to persuade each other of common aims based on a common reality. It involves the compromise, the art of what&#039;s possible. But religion doesn’t allow for compromise. If God has spoken, then followers are expected to live up to God&#039;s edicts, regardless of the consequences.&lt;/font&gt; 
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&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot; size=&quot;3&quot; color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;OK, so let’s extract the argument.&lt;/font&gt; 
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&lt;font color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;(1) &lt;/font&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;If Smith believes that God wants us to do X, then (a) Smith will believe that we should do X regardless of the consequences, (b) Smith will be totally unwilling to compromise about doing X, and (c) Smith will be unable to persuade everyone else that we should do X, without appeal to religious premises.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/font&gt; 
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&lt;font color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;(2) Participation in politics in a pluralistic democracy requires compromise and the ability to persuade other people “of common aims based on a common reality,” i.e. without appeal to religious premises. That is, participation in politics requires that (a)-(c) not be true of you.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/font&gt; 
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&lt;font color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;(3) &lt;/font&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;Therefore, if Smith believes that God wants us to do X, then Smith will be unable to participate in politics in a pluralistic democracy.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/font&gt; 
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&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot; size=&quot;3&quot; color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;Is that a fair assessment of the argument? I don’t want to be uncharitable to Obama. I really think that’s what he’s saying. Please correct me if I&#039;m wrong.&lt;/font&gt; 
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&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot; size=&quot;3&quot; color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;But this conclusion is far stronger than the conclusion that we cannot &lt;em&gt;appeal&lt;/em&gt; to religious premises when arguing in the public square. This conclusion says that we cannot even &lt;em&gt;believe &lt;/em&gt;religious premises such as “God wants us/me to do X” and enter the public square! People with beliefs about God’s desires for mankind cannot even &lt;em&gt;enter &lt;/em&gt;politics, according to this argument.&lt;/font&gt; 
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&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot; size=&quot;3&quot; color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;That’s certainly alarming. And it contradicts what Obama has said about his own religious faith. He has said, for example, when he describes his conversion in his book &lt;em&gt;The Audacity of Hope&lt;/em&gt;: “[K]neeling beneath that cross on the South Side, I felt I heard God’s spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth and carrying out His works.”&lt;/font&gt; 
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&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot; size=&quot;3&quot; color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;If the above argument in (1)-(3) is right, and if Obama has discovered any of God’s truth and is dedicated to carrying out any of God’s works as he says in his book, then Obama himself cannot participate in politics. So that’s one criticism of the argument: &lt;strong&gt;it applies to Obama as well. &lt;/strong&gt;So he cannot reasonably wield this political argument in the public square, since it concludes that he should not participate in politics in the public square.&lt;/font&gt; 
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&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot; size=&quot;3&quot; color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;Now let&#039;s ask if it is even a sound argument. Are premises (1) and (2) true? I don’t think either one is true. I think they’re both flat-out false.&lt;/font&gt; 
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&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot; size=&quot;3&quot; color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;(1) is false because of clause (b). I don’t think it’s necessarily true that, if Smith believes that God wants us to do X, Smith will be totally unwilling to compromise. Smith may realize that many people disagree with him about doing X, and he may realize that he’s unable to persuade them to see things his way, and he may be unable or unwilling to &lt;em&gt;compel&lt;/em&gt; people to see things his way. And so he may be willing to strike a compromise with his opponents, to get as close as possible to doing X.&lt;/font&gt; 
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&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot; size=&quot;3&quot; color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;Indeed, this happens all the time. Many religiously motivated opponents of gay marriage desire to totally outlaw gay marriage, for primarily religious reasons. Many of them think that outlawing gay marriage is the right thing to do, and that God wants us to do it. And yet many of them realize that others disagree and that they cannot persuade them. And many are unwilling or unable to forcibly &lt;em&gt;compel&lt;/em&gt; the country to outlaw gay marriage. And so many of these people seek instead to compromise with their opponents, perhaps by allowing civil unions to protect marriage. But premise (1) says this is just impossible. So much the worse for premise (1): we have clear counterexamples from everyday life. &lt;strong&gt;So premise (1) is false.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/font&gt; 
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&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot; size=&quot;3&quot; color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;Premise (2) says that, in order to participate in politics, one must be willing to compromise and one must be able to persuade other people without appeal to religious premises. I think premise (2) is false, and I think Obama himself agrees with me! Elsewhere in this Call to Renewal address, he says: &lt;/font&gt;
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	&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot; size=&quot;3&quot; color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;“Imagine Lincoln&#039;s Second Inaugural Address without reference to &amp;quot;the judgments of the Lord.&amp;quot; Or King&#039;s I Have a Dream speech without references to &amp;quot;all of God&#039;s children.&amp;quot; Their summoning of a higher truth helped inspire what had seemed impossible, and move the nation to embrace a common destiny.” &lt;/font&gt;
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&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot; size=&quot;3&quot; color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;He seems to condone Lincoln’s speech and MLK’s speech. And yet the parts of the speeches he praises are explicitly religious, and would not persuade a non-religious person. And clearly Lincoln and MLK were participating in politics in the public square. Therefore, Obama both recognizes the possibility and even praises some instances of religiously motivated participation in politics. That is, he recognizes that there are (praiseworthy) counterexamples to (2). I agree with him. And so he should believe that &lt;strong&gt;(2) is false&lt;/strong&gt;, just as I do.&lt;/font&gt; 
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&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot; size=&quot;3&quot; color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;In conclusion, although Obama’s stated view of religion in the public square is very troubling, he gives us no good reason to accept it. Indeed, Obama himself elsewhere seems to give good reason to reject it! His views on this matter are inconsistent. As for us, there is no reason to think that religious premises are inadmissible in the public square. There’s no reason to think that one must be willing and able to persuade &lt;em&gt;everyone &lt;/em&gt;in order for one to participate in politics in the public square. Of course you’ll be more successful in politics if you can persuade everyone, but that’s not a &lt;em&gt;prerequisite&lt;/em&gt; to participation in politics. And so we should not be the least bit ashamed about making religious appeals in the public square.&lt;/font&gt; 
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