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 <title>Faith over Intellect? Intellect over Faith?</title>
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;Mind
over matter. Faith over intellect. Wisdom over knowledge. We’re convinced that
the alternative is better: that one of these is better than the other. But Paul
says that knowledge is a gift. It’s not something to be set aside when you
start believing, but incorporated.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;strong style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt;Intellect
itself convinces us that some people are more gifted with knowledge than
others. &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt;We’ve been in classes with these people, and we all know the stories of
the most gifted among them (e.g., Albert Einstein, Thomas Edison). But Paul is
talking about a different kind of knowledge. It’s not just one about facts and
numbers. (Although the type of people gifted with the type of knowledge Paul is
referring to would likely be good with that as well.)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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	&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background-color: #f5f5f5; font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;To each is given the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;background-color: #f5f5f5; font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;manifestation of the Spirit&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background-color: #f5f5f5; font-family: Arial&quot;&gt; for the common&lt;/span&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;background-color: #f5f5f5; font-family: Arial&quot;&gt; good&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background-color: #f5f5f5; font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;background-color: #f5f5f5; font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;For to one is given &lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background-color: #f5f5f5; font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;through the Spirit &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background-color: #f5f5f5; font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;t&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background-color: #f5f5f5; font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;he utterance of wisdom&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background-color: #f5f5f5; font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;, and &lt;em&gt;to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit&lt;/em&gt;, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills (1 Corinthians 12:7–11 ESV).&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt;Earlier
in his letter to the Corinthians, Paul defines what he means by “knowledge,” or
more aptly how the knowledge he is referring to defers from other kinds of
knowledge in its purpose.&lt;/span&gt;
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	&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt;“I
	give thanks to my God always for you [all (this is a plural “you” in Greek)]
	because of the grace of God that was given you [all] in Christ Jesus, that in
	every way you [all] were enriched in him in all speech and all &lt;/span&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt;knowledge&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt;— even as the testimony about
	Christ was confirmed among you [all]” (1 Corinthians 1:4–6 ESV).&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Knowledge
is about enriching others. Its about the testimony of Christ among us.&lt;/strong&gt;
Intellect for intellect’s sake is a wasteful endeavor. (I’ll resist the urge to
rant about the higher education system here, and the urge to rant about the
problems with curriculum and teaching methods of many Biblical Studies and
Theological Studies programs.)&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;In
Graeco-Roman culture, knowledge was the basis of achieving not only higher
status but (more often than not) a higher level of spirituality. This would
later in church history, only about a generation after Paul, become a major
issue. &lt;/strong&gt;A religion, known today as Gnosticism (from the Greek word for
knowledge, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt;gnosis&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt;), would creep in
that synchronized the ideas of Graeco-Roman culture with Christianity. They
would exploit grace and make Christianity about knowledge instead of
experience. Rather Christianity being about a constant living relationship with
Jesus (and the salvation He brings through His death and resurrection for us),
it would become about simply saying the right words and knowing the right
things.&lt;strong&gt; Gnosticism was very popular, because it was easy and exciting, but that
didn’t make it true.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt;This
religious movement, in all its diverse forms, would produce works like the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt;Gospel of Judas&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt; and the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt;Gospel of Thomas&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt;. These fictional works,
written in the epic of people that had previously died, would claim special
knowledge about the workings of Jesus with His disciples, and that salvation
comes through ascension to the special intellectual level they proposed.&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Does
Gnosticism sound like a familiar form of Christianity? That’s because it is.
It’s rampant in our churches today:&lt;/strong&gt; “If I say I believe (and I confirm it in my
mind), I can do what I want through grace and God will still bless me with
salvation (and other things).” It’s not usually proposed this way, but faith
without actions is what’s often being preached. This type of faith is the type
Jesus condemned, not confirmed, because its not faith at all. It’s admitting
truth. Admission without action is useless.&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jesus
didn’t come to save through knowledge. But he also didn’t come to do away with
knowledge. &lt;/strong&gt;The lack of real knowledge about the biblical text is what allows
for gnostic-like religion to continue in our churches today. If we knew what
Jesus really said, and really believed, for ourselves, this problem would be
minor or perhaps even absent.&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt;Paul
is proposing that we emphasize and acknowledge people with the gift of knowledge
of God and His workings. Yet, this is one of the many things in our churches
today that is downplayed, and it’s to our detriment.&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;We
need people with knowledge (most of which likely hold the spiritual office of
teacher). Without them, we will lose our way.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt;How
can your church cultivate knowledge, and especially emphasize the needs for
those with it to speak to others about it regularly?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;
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&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;strong style=&quot;color: #444444&quot;&gt;Join the movement. Be the first to know. &lt;a href=&quot;http://eepurl.com/c4ZqA&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Sign up for updates here.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;
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&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;strong style=&quot;color: #444444&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://eepurl.com/c4ZqA&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong style=&quot;color: #444444&quot;&gt;Want to read the entire series? Here is a round-up:&lt;/strong&gt;
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&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/spiritual-gifts-or-curses&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;Spiritual gifts or curses?&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/we-dont-compare-ourselves-to-elijah-but-should&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;We don’t compare ourselves to Elijah but should&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/treating-pastors-like-restaurant-managers&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;Treating pastors like restaurant managers&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/jesus-in-a-cashmere-sweater&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;Jesus in a cashmere sweater&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/banishing-sunday-school-teachers&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;Banishing Sunday school teachers&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/spiritual-gridlock-the-end-of-miracles&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;Spiritual gridlock: the end of miracles?&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/the-myth-of-the-apolitical-church&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;The myth of the apolitical church&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/healing-its-what-we-all-need&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;Healing: it&#039;s what we all need&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/help-a-war-cry-not-a-cry-of-desperation&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;Help: a war cry, not a cry of desperation&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/administrators-leaders-not-paper-pushers&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;Administrators: leaders, not paper pushers&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/node/44083/edit&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;Speaking in tongues: not crazy, just different&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/interpreting-well-everything&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;Interpreting, (well) everything&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/the-higher-gifts-an-owners-manual&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;The higher gifts: an owner&#039;s manual&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/why-pastors-never-meet-expectations&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;Why pastors never meet expectations&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/looney-tunes-and-the-church&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;Looney tunes and the church&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/purpose-its-confusing&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Purpose: it&#039;s confusing&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/font&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/be-a-man&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&amp;quot;Be a man&amp;quot;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/growing-pains-dont-be-like-mike&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;Growing pains: don&#039;t be like Mike&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/i-don%E2%80%99t-want-you-to-be-uninformed&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;I don&#039;t want you to be uninformed&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/spiritual-gifts-a-definition&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;Spiritual gifts: a definition&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/node/49014/edit&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;Onward towards a better way&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/wheres-god-today&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;Where&#039;s God today?&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
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 <title>Ten Verses to Defend Your Faith</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;
For the past few days I have been trying to think of the top
ten verses that would be most helpful to apologists and evangelists. I have
reflected on my own experience and also gotten feedback from many of you on
Facebook and Twitter. So, here are my top ten verses to defend your faith (in
no particular order):
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&lt;p&gt;
1 Peter 3:15: &lt;em&gt;“but sanctify Christ as
Lord in your hearts, always &lt;span&gt;being&lt;/span&gt;
ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope
that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence;”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;As an
apologist you may find yourself having to defend the purpose of apologetics.
This is the classic verse indicating that &lt;em&gt;everyone&lt;/em&gt;
is to be prepared to give an answer with gentleness and respect.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
John
1:1-3: &lt;em&gt;“&lt;sup&gt;1 &lt;/sup&gt;In the beginning
was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. &lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; He
was in the beginning with God. &lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt; All things came into being through
Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.”&lt;/em&gt; &lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;This is one of the most compelling and clear
articulations of the deity of Christ. It shows that Christ is the eternal
creator and is one with (although distinct from) the Father.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Acts
5:3-4: &lt;em&gt;&lt;sup&gt;“3 &lt;/sup&gt;But Peter said,
“Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep
back &lt;span&gt;some&lt;/span&gt; of the price of the
land? &lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt; While it remained &lt;span&gt;unsold&lt;/span&gt;,
did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your
control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have
not lied to men but to God.” &lt;/em&gt;There is much confusion among Christians as
well as groups such as the Jehovah’s Witnesses about the identity of the Holy
Spirit. This passage shows the deity and personhood of the Holy Spirit.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Isaiah
43:10: &lt;em&gt;“ ‘You are My witnesses,’
declares the LORD, ‘And My servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and
believe Me And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, And
there will be none after Me.’ ”&lt;/em&gt; This passage clearly lays out that there is
only one God and there has always only been one God. Mormons have to get very
creative to avoid the clear meaning of this passage.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Romans
1:20: &lt;em&gt;“For since the creation of the
world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been
clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are
without excuse.&lt;/em&gt;” This verse helps with the question, “What about those who
have never heard?” It establishes that people do have knowledge of God through creation.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Romans
2:14-15:&lt;em&gt; “&lt;sup&gt;14 &lt;/sup&gt;For when
Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these,
not having the Law, are a law to themselves, &lt;sup&gt;15&lt;/sup&gt; in that they show
the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness
and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them,”&lt;/em&gt; This
passage demonstrates that the moral conscience is written on our hearts. The
moral law is universal, even among those who do not have the written law.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
John
6:29: “&lt;em&gt;Jesus answered and said to
them, ‘This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.’ ” &lt;/em&gt;Many
pseudo-Christian religions base salvation on works. In this passage Jesus clearly
lays out the requirement of salvation—&lt;em&gt;belief&lt;/em&gt;. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
John
20:30-31: &lt;em&gt;“&lt;sup&gt;30&lt;/sup&gt; Therefore
many other signs Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which
are not written in this book; &lt;sup&gt;31&lt;/sup&gt; but these have been written so that
you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing
you may have life in His name.”&lt;/em&gt; Skeptics often believe that faith is blind.
John clearly states that the miracles of Jesus were recorded as proof so we
would believe.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
2
Peter 3:9: &lt;em&gt;“The Lord is not slow
about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not
wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.” &lt;/em&gt;This passage
clearly shows that God desires all to turn to repentance and be saved. This can
be helpful when talking about Hell.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Luke
1:1-4: &lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;em&gt;“&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile an account of
the things accomplished among us, &lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; just as they were handed down to
us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and servants of the word, &lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;
it seemed fitting for me as well, having investigated everything carefully from
the beginning, to write &lt;span&gt;it&lt;/span&gt; out
for you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus; &lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt; so that
you may know the exact truth about the things you have been taught.”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Some claim that the disciples were inventing
myths and legends. This passage shows the clear concern with historical
accuracy and eyewitness accounts.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
This list is certainly not exhaustive. I’m sure there are
many more verses that could be included&lt;a name=&quot;_GoBack&quot; title=&quot;_GoBack&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. I would love to
know of any other key verses that should be added.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;(&lt;em&gt;All
Scripture quotations are taken from the Holy Bible, New American Standard
Version.)&lt;/em&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
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“Just some ordinary conversation over dinner.”  At least, that’s how my host described this event.  In January, I was invited to have dinner with a couple of dads and their sons to facilitate a discussion on the problem of evil.  It was a spur-of-the-moment request and details were a bit fuzzy, so I met my host Jon 30 minutes prior to talk specifics.  He informed me that not only would Christian dads and sons participate, but his 60-year old parents, both skeptics of Christianity, would join us as well.  That night’s conversation turned out to be exceptional.  Why?  Because of apologetics.  
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For too long, apologetics has been given a bad rap.  Too many Christian voices point to a few poor apologetic examples, extrapolate them to every apologist and apologetic encounter, and then dismiss the entire enterprise.  But in doing so, Christians abandon one of our greatest tools to engage the world for Christ.  My recent conversation demonstrates why.
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&lt;strong&gt;(1) It was intelligent.&lt;/strong&gt;  Any robust discussion of the problem of evil will include a host of issues.  We covered almost all of them, exploring objective and subjective views of morality, the definition of evil, human freedom, moral intuitions, the soul, and more.  It was a rational, well-informed dialogue between Christians and Jon’s skeptical parents.  And it was my apologetic training that enabled me to lead an intelligent discussion.   
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&lt;strong&gt;(2) It was gracious.&lt;/strong&gt;  The apologists I know take I Peter 3:15 seriously.  All of it.  We are not to be defensive with our defense, but gracious.  Apologetics can give you confidence that what you believe is actually true and reasonable.  That kind confidence can keep you from getting defensive.  And when you’re not defensive, you can relax, give others space to question and doubt, and even enjoy the challenge of a tough question.  My apologetic training has done just that for me. 
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That night there were no raised voices.  No frustration or irritation.  Not a hint of defensiveness. Rather, the entire group was cool, calm, and collected.  Yes, this occurred in the context of a religious discussion, where participants held diametrically opposed viewpoints.  Jon’s parents raised serious intellectual challenges to God from evil, but heard a defense that was gentle and respectful. 
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&lt;strong&gt;(3) It was patient.  &lt;/strong&gt;Beforehand, Jon was clear with his instructions to me.  He wanted a methodical discussion, walking carefully through the arguments and objections.  No jumping to unjustified conclusions.  And there was no pressure to “close the deal.”  Rather, his stated goal was to leave a stone in his parent’s shoes, an approach he picked up from Stand to Reason.  He was patient with their skepticism, knowing there were many barriers to be removed before Jesus ever came into view.  Apologist &lt;a href=&quot;http://rzim.org/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Ravi Zacharias&lt;/a&gt; puts it this way: 
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	“The longer I am in this work, the more I realize that intellectual struggles are merely the hazardous waste of life, blocking the heart from truth.  The task of apologetics is to carefully remove that hazardous material and keep it from igniting into a destructive fire.  Once that is done, the way to the heart is always through the way of the Cross, God’s love for each and every one of us.” 
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I wanted to use apologetics to move some of that hazardous material away from Jon’s parents’ hearts, but my apologetic training helped me to understand this approach takes time and requires patience.  That night, his parents were able to air a few of their intellectual grievances, which were met with listening ears and patient answers. 
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When you pay careful attention to what most Christian apologists are saying today and you avoid the temptation to demonize the entire apologetic endeavor because of one or two bad examples, you’ll be open to one of the great tools the Church has employed for 2,000 years.  When I teach apologetics, this is the approach I commend.  It’s the Stand to Reason way, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.str.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&amp;amp;id=9585&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;the Ambassador’s way&lt;/a&gt;.  Of course, it’s always nice to be reminded it’s also an effective way.  
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What was the result of that night’s intelligent, gracious, and patient conversation?  As we said our goodbyes after dinner, Jon’s skeptical dad shook my hand, looked me in the eye, and with a smile said, “Let’s do this again.”
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 <description>Shortly before Christmas I received an email
from Edgar Andrews, Emeritus professor from the University of London. He asked
if I would be willing to review his book &lt;em&gt;Who
Made God?&lt;/em&gt; &lt;em&gt;Searching for a Theory of
Everything&lt;/em&gt;. While I’ve read many books presenting the scientific evidence
for God, I thought it may be interesting to get the perspective of someone
outside the traditional apologetics community. I was right!
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;If you enjoy the contemporary debate about the
existence of God, then &lt;em&gt;Who Made God?&lt;/em&gt;
is a book you will want to have in your library. Andrews provides fresh and
strong critiques of Dawkins, Victor Stenger, and other prominent atheists. He
even debated &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://richarddawkins.net/audio/721-1986-oxford-union-debate&quot;&gt;Richard Dawkins&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;a few years
ago.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;Probably the most controversial thing Andrews
claims is that there are four scientifically inexplicable things: (1) the origin
of the universe; (2) the origin of the laws of nature; (3) the origin of life;
and (4) the origin of mind and thought. Not only is there no present
explanation, he says there &lt;em&gt;never&lt;/em&gt; will
be a natural explanation. The main claim of his book is that any “theory of
everything” must include mind. Purely material causes will never be able to
explain certain features of the world. The God-hypothesis, says Andrews,
explains the world much more thoroughly.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot;&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;One of the most fascinating sections of the book
is his defense of the reality of the human mind. He argues that thinking can
change the activity and structure of the brain, which shows that human thinking
is not simply an inconsequential by-product of brain activity. He points to a
study from the Stanford Business School where a group of people were given the
same wine on two different occasions. One time they were told it was a $45
bottle, and the other time they were told it was $5. Unsurprisingly, the group
declared that the $45 wine tasted better. They even scanned the brains during
consumption and found the pleasure centers of the brain lit up more for the
expensive wine. Andrews concludes: &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;“[N]on physical mental &lt;em&gt;expectations&lt;/em&gt; translate into bodily responses via real physical
changes in the brain. If non-physical mind can affect the physical brain in
this way, then mind can hardly be the mere by-product of brain activity…” (p.
259).&lt;a name=&quot;_GoBack&quot; title=&quot;_GoBack&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot;&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;This is just one helpful illustration from &lt;em&gt;Who Made God?&lt;/em&gt; Andrews also critiques
theistic evolution, the power of natural selection and mutation, and other
common atheistic arguments. Even if you disagree with Andrews (as I do at
points), he provides a thoughtful scientific and philosophical defense of
Christianity. &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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My wife and I recently bought Disneyland passes.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It was the big gift we hoped for at the
top of our Christmas wish list this year.&lt;span&gt; 
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Though she and I have had
them at various times, we have never had them together in our 9 or so years of
knowing each other.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I remember as
a kid going to Disneyland and feeling happy.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Disneyland has this kind of happiness in spades, built from
the ground up not on thrilling rides, but instead on nostalgia and
environment.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Everything in the
park exists to make you smile and be entertaining. &lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;It is my child self’s version of paradise.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Yet, after visiting the park over and over again (a luxury I
surely don’t mean to diminish), there are times when the tricks of the park
begin to lose steam.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This is true
of any number of life’s pleasures – yearly holiday traditions, visits to
favorite locations, or favorite films that may initially be funny but lose charm
with repeated viewings (I’m looking at you “Elf”)
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
If I asked you to describe what you hope heaven will be
like, your description might be something like Las Vegas.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Las Vegas is for much of the world the
adult version of Disneyland.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is
stocked with fun, attractions, and themes geared towards adults.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In its most unrestricted sense, it is
for many a picture of what might be our personal wish list of our own heaven: unrestricted
pleasures, fantasy, substance, and dynamic visual spectacle brought to life by
human imagination to be enjoyed without any regret or conviction.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;No part of the Las Vegas strip is
natural, it is all built by human hands. &lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Mike Erre once called it something to the effect of the
height of the human ambition.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In
other words, it’s the best humans can come up with to make people happy.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
When asked what heaven might be like, as a child I used to
imagine perfect, unending versions of my favorite fast food, rides with no
lines I could ride over and over again, and a huge home beyond any mansion I
had seen on earth (with lots of slides).&lt;span&gt; 
&lt;/span&gt;It was my human minds imagination of heaven.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;So when different pastor’s tried to insinuate that heaven
was an eternal worship service where we would be in the literal presence of God,
my heart sank a little.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The music
would probably be subpar, and I’d have to feign interest for 24 hours a
day.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That’s not much pleasure and
fun at all.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Where are the
attractions and endless videogames on giant TV screens I had dreamed about as a
child?
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Christmas is built on many of the same ideals.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Its traditions are meant to trigger
happiness, and I enjoy them all quite a bit.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is undoubtedly my favorite time of the year.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But as adults, the same Christmas
traditions don’t generate the same level of happiness they once use to.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Darin McWaters recently gave the
distinction between happiness and joy – That happiness could be manufactured
but joy was the feeling or experience of something deeper. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The point is this: If heaven is a place created by human
imagination, it probably won’t be all that great.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I bet it would get boring after a short period of time.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If it is one huge cosmic Disneyland or
Las Vegas, we will get bored after some period of time.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The sparkles on the buildings and the
noises we imagine to be heard will inevitably leave us wanting more.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Or, if it were an endless hedonistic
playground with no consequence, the lack of any real intimacy would start to
corrode our happiness like rust on an old aluminum can.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
So what about joy? &lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;I frequently experience joy in unexpected gifts and in
nature.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;A loving smile from my
wife that is generated by nothing more than her love for me.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Wondering and being amazed at streams
of water that look and sound brilliant with life existing below its surfaces.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I experience joy in things that are
beautiful such as great song or a sunset that is too colorful for words.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In each experience, I often am left
thinking that something, someone, somehow is far bigger than me orchestrating
these feelings and vistas words and descriptions can’t illustrate.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Something divine is being revealed,
even if as a small glimpse.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
With happiness, I often find it in things triggered by human
imagination.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Joy however leads me
to experience the Divine.&lt;span&gt; 
&lt;/span&gt;Therefore, when I think about my human visions of heaven, I am convinced
that my mind and heart do not assume much of God.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I do not assume that He is interesting or beautiful in a way
that might leave me in awe and worship for an eternity.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I do not assume He is interesting
enough to look at and enjoy.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I
frequently find myself assuming that He is a system of decent ideas for a happy
life.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;He moves and exists based on
my expectations and commands of Him, not for who He truly is. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
A.W. Tozer, Diedrich Boenhoeffer, and John Piper frequently
wrote/write about a God who is interesting in a way that we would find ultimate
satisfaction.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Or perhaps, a God
who in us created more longing for Him because what He offered far outclasses
every human experience imaginable, even the ones that cause us to think of
Him.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Any concept in my human brain
to approach who He must be is woefully inadequate.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Heaven won’t be Disneyland, Las Vegas, or an eternal church
service.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Those things may excite
or be a letdown for others, but none of them assume that God is anything other
than a mental construction of the human imagination. It would be false to
assume that He is the annual pass distributor to a cosmic playground of
unfathomable pleasure.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In fact, He
is something I ought to take the greatest pleasure of life in if He is indeed so great.&lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
If He is bigger and more interesting than I assume Him to
be, the greatest deception I face everyday is to consider Him anything less
than who He truly is.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I’m left
feeling really curious about what it will be like to be in His presence.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If God indeed is not the construction
of human emotions, feelings, and ideals, I certainly won’t have anything human
to say.
&lt;/p&gt;
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I like everything about Christmas - the lights, decorations,
trees, and festivity of almost every public space.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I like finding gifts that express my great
love and thanksgiving for those in my life.&lt;span&gt; 
&lt;/span&gt;I like Christmas movies (especially Charlie Brown), cookies, cards, and
the general sentiment that something is different.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There is a communal anticipation, a hope, a
looking forward to the morning of Christmas.&lt;span&gt; 
&lt;/span&gt;For a moment, the world seems to pause and everyone is aware that the
day is different.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;
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And every year I read The Story (Luke 2) and am re-amazed by
the obvious fact that the single greatest birth story of all time is covered in
about two pages of text.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Every year I
want more, I want to ask the Shepherds questions and find out how Joseph really
felt seeing his young love, Mary, go into labor in the most inhospitable of
places.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I want the text to give me
something – and this year it gave me the word “sign” and it gave it to me
twice.
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In Luke 2:12, the angel tells the shepherds, “…this will be
a sign for you: you will find a baby wrapped in swaddling cloths and lying in a
manger.”&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Then in Luke 2:34, Simeon says
that Christ the child is appointed for the fall and rising of many in Israel
and to be a sign that will be opposed and spoken against, revealing the hearts
of many.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;
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After reading and re-reading the passages I began to ask
myself what it means that Christ is a sign and why the concept is included
twice in Chapter two.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style=&quot;margin: 0in 0in 0pt&quot; class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
I reasoned a couple of things:
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style=&quot;margin: 0in 0in 0pt&quot; class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
In verse 12, the sign that is being given to the shepherds
is practical, directional, or for purpose of identification.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The word connotes that the angel was trying
to give the shepherds information that would direct them to the Christ child
rather than any other baby in Bethlehem.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I get that.&lt;span&gt; 
&lt;/span&gt;But why would simple directions have been included by Luke and the Holy Spirit
so that the words would be read over and over and over again for all time?&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Why didn’t the angel say something more
profound, after all, this was the announcement of God’s incarnation.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Was something more being identified for us?&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Maybe the sign was something more than the
angle just saying, “Hey – look over there.”
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style=&quot;margin: 0in 0in 0pt&quot; class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
In verse 34, the word sign means a warning, caution, or point
of alarm.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Christ the sign would be a
dividing rod for the nation of Israel
no doubt.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But Christ is a sign of
something more – a sign that would be opposed in such a way that hearts would
be revealed.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Perhaps Simeon and the Holy
Spirit were also making clear that the birth of Christ, the incarnation of God,
should be taken as a sign worthy of reflective pause because it would divide
all of humanity.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style=&quot;margin: 0in 0in 0pt&quot; class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
Christ the sign.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Sign
of what?&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Sign to whom?
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style=&quot;margin: 0in 0in 0pt&quot; class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
For nearly 2000 years, all of humanity has stopped each year
to mark the birth of Christ.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;History has
been defined by the event and at least in America, it is probably the only
event that is universally recognized as a practical point of demarcation.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Christmas is a stop sign of sorts on the way
to a new year.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style=&quot;margin: 0in 0in 0pt&quot; class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
This year, all of humanity will stop for a moment because
Christ was born as a baby at a specific time, in a specific place, to a real
set of parents.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The birth of Christ is a
historical fact and, in retrospect, it is apparent that God has made the birth
of His Son the singular point of history and the calendar year we now live by.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Perhaps in a way, God was saying in effect, “Every
year you are going to get a practical reminder that my Son was born, it was
important, and I just want to remind you it happened.”&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style=&quot;margin: 0in 0in 0pt&quot; class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
You don’t have to read the bible, go to church, or be a
follower of Christ to get the sign.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;God
has made it so clear that for almost 2000 years, all of humanity has been reminded,
like it or not, that Jesus was born. In all its secular glory, Christmas
remains the greatest single evangelistic event on earth.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;No matter what the effort, there is simply no
way to take Christ’s name and the historical fact of His birth, out of the word
Christmas.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;God, in his infinite wisdom,
created Christmas so that every year His creation would get a practical
reminder that His son was born.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style=&quot;margin: 0in 0in 0pt&quot; class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
But it wasn’t just a point to remember, like the date Columbus discovered America or your own date of birth.
It isn’t just another date. &lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Every year
all of humanity is given the chance to pause and reflect on the warning that
Christ was and is.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;He changed
everything.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;His human story began and
the story of humanity dramatically shifted.&lt;span&gt; 
&lt;/span&gt;Every year we are given the chance to stop and reflect. &lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;We can take notice and bow to His lordship, or
we can ignore the warning, overlook the opportunity, and move forward as if
nothing important has happened.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style=&quot;margin: 0in 0in 0pt&quot; class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
That night God became man.&lt;span&gt; 
&lt;/span&gt;Every year He points us to it and thereby provides an annual opportunity
for the lost to see Him, the sick to touch Him, and the broken to feel
Him.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Every year most of us just overlook
the sign.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Like the countless numbers of
people in Bethlehem
at Christ’s birth, we walk right by the manger, never stopping to consider that
God just made himself man so that man could be reconciled to God.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style=&quot;margin: 0in 0in 0pt&quot; class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
How amazing it is that every year God gives us the chance to
stop and consider that the birth of Christ changed everything for everyone for
all time.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Every year God is asking us a
simple question: “What will you do with my baby?” 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style=&quot;margin: 0in 0in 0pt&quot; class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
This will be a sign unto you – Christmas.
&lt;/p&gt;
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;
To start this post, let me begin with several qualifications: First, I
think that theological education has some serious meditation to do 
concerning its task. Second, I think the overall model / approach upon 
which we’ve built is flawed. Third, I am excited about virtually 
anything that seeks to think creatively about this. In comes Mike Breen.
Mike Breen, who I know little about but have heard good things, &lt;a href=&quot;http://mikebreen.wordpress.com/2011/11/09/excerpts-from-our-theological-whitepaper/&quot;&gt;posted this back in November.&lt;/a&gt;
It is a wholesale engagement with the kinds of worries I have. In light
of that, let me again state some qualifications: First, I know nothing 
about this other than this post. Second, if I saw this right when I 
graduated seminary I probably would have called him up and said, “Sign 
me up and tell me what to do.” Third, I have some doubts about some of 
the statistics in the video, but for the purpose of this discussion lets
assume they are true.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Now, qualifications aside, I was left frustrated by this post. But 
why? Why would I be frustrated by someone who is, for all practical 
purposes, hitting all of my sweet-spots? I actually found myself asking 
this exact question at times. Let me try and point to some issues I 
think are inherent to this project (keeping in mind how limited my 
knowledge of it is).
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
First, it is built on over-simplification. The “Christendom” versus 
“post-Christendom” divide is helpful for sermons but not for academic 
discourse. Things are just not so simple. Furthermore, keeping in mind 
my ignorance of their overall plan, this seems steeped in the present 
evangelical culture. In other words, based on how evangelicals are 
intuitively thinking about things, their overall approach makes perfect 
sense. That worries me. This feels no different than the megachurch 
mentality they oppose. In light of that claim, note the inherent 
pragmatism to the message. We have statistics, we have an action plan, 
and we can use Jesus as the model. But is this right? It strikes me that
it is not. Again, over-simplification seems to govern the day (maybe 
this was just for the sake of the video?) Also, in light of their 
allergy to the megachurches and the “business” model (again, no 
complaints here), it seems to me that they have not dug deep enough to 
the pragmatist idolatry that fueled the errors they worry about. In 
other words, they could be trying to build on the same broken foundation
(even as they claim they are doing the opposite in their video).
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Following the present culture, it strikes me that we have another 
case of Jesus vs. Paul (and by Paul I mean the rest of the NT). As a 
side note, if you haven’t noticed this phenomena, watch for it. It is 
pervasive. I think it gained popularity through the emergent church 
conversation, particularly the more radical ends, but it is a view that 
is becoming “normal.” Notice how quickly we can just say: “Well Jesus 
did it this way, therefore this must be a model.” There is a pragmatism 
and a lack of a robust biblical vision (or so it strikes me).
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Second, I was struck by the odd feeling that I would have loved this 
earlier in my life, but now I am left with much hesitancy. Why? First, I
think that my earlier point about pragmatism is again wielding its 
head. The seminary grads I talk to almost all want pragmatic ways to fix
things. I tend to hand them Eugene Peterson. In other words, starting 
from what seminary grads want doesn’t necessarily lead us anywhere. I am
again struck by how similar this seems to be to the megachurch movement
these guys reject. I grew up at Willow Creek, and it feels the same to 
me. We start with statistics, move to what makes intuive sense, and then
build a common-sensical model based on New Testament narratives. Is 
this just the same old evangelical game? The fact that high-up on the 
list of “to-dos” to get this thing going was developing a savvy video 
strikes me that the answer would be: “Yes.”
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Third, I was struck by how much I disliked the terms “character” and 
“compentence.” Both strike me as inherently secular. As an advocate of 
the spiritual formation conversation, I quiver when I see terms like 
this. Maybe there is much more depth to them than strike me at first 
glance? I don’t know. To me, this again feels American (or Western would
probably be more adequate). It thinks of education in terms of trade 
schools. Furthermore, there was a tinge of that classic evangelical 
inclination that there was the Acts 2 church that lasted for a 
generation and then everything has gone 100% wrong ever since. 
Therefore, what we need to do is to just recover that church. I don’t 
know if that is there (it is certainly ubiquitous in the evangelicalism I
grew up in), but if nothing else, some form of that inclination is 
still floating around. There just doesn’t seem to be a lot of 
theological depth in a discussion of theological education.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Fourth, other than reference to the importance of the &lt;em&gt;mission of God &lt;/em&gt;(whose importance is not questioned here), there really isn’t any focus on how &lt;em&gt;thinking Christianly&lt;/em&gt;
is at the heart of our participation in the mission of God. 1 
Corinthians would be helpful here. Again, with the last point, it seems 
like the &lt;em&gt;mission of God &lt;/em&gt;was picked up at random with no other 
theological structures in place. And maybe it is here that my real 
frustration lies. Rather than theology I find common-sensicalism.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Fifth, is the problem the model of education, or is the problem our 
ideal of education? Both, no doubt, have their problems, but which is 
more central? I would point to the total lack of &lt;em&gt;theological&lt;/em&gt; 
education over the last generation, where theology itself was seen as an
end rather than an aid to meeting Christ in the scriptures (see &lt;a href=&quot;http://shoredfragments.wordpress.com/2011/11/28/the-spirituality-of-doctrine/&quot;&gt;Stephen Holmes’ post for some excellent thoughts on this&lt;/a&gt;).
Rather than a wholesale rejection of the model, why don’t we start 
asking new questions about how that model can be more faithful to the 
call of the church? While I used to be on their side of things, wanting 
to rethink everything from the ground up, it is my new inclination that a
more fruitful endeavor would be to rework the model from within it. 
This is not just a pragmatic claim, but I have a lot in mind when I 
suggest this. Maybe we can discuss this. I should say that  I was in an 
innovative seminary program designed with many of the same worries as 
Breen’s, and it did deal with (in my mind) many of their worries (not to
diminish other major issues such as the financial, etc.).
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Last, the post and video point to two distinct issues that they 
believe are interrelated: the church and the seminary. I wonder if we 
would explore the relationship between these in more detail if that 
would help. For instance, I know few churches who really take a role in 
future pastor’s and missionary’s development (spiritual, financial, 
etc.). I wonder if the seminary is often required to hold a load a bit 
too large? Anyone who has taught an introductory class at a seminary can
recognize how low biblical and theological knowledge truly is, as well 
as an understanding of the Christian life. It is no surprise that three 
years later they don’t feel equipped for ministry.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
In the end, I like the questions, I like the desire, but I am left 
with much more hesitancy than excitement. It has too much of the feel of
the evangelicalism that continues to say: “I know, we should just start
from scratch;” and “Finally, I have come around to fix everything.” 
What are your thoughts? Am I being too harsh? Am I totally off about 
what they are doing? What do you think?
&lt;/p&gt;
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;
In my book, &lt;em&gt;Why
Trust Jesus?,&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt; I refer to
Augustine’s journey and wrestle with trust, but as I have been taking a course
this semester at the University of Dallas with Dr. William Frank, I decided to
come back and revisit that theme of trust. I still agree with what I wrote in
my book, &lt;em&gt;Why Trust Jesus?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;
but I wanted share another one of my short papers that I wrote for this class.
I will eventually submit a couple more papers on this Conversant blog about
Augustine.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If you have read the
Confessions multiple times or are brand new in studying Augustine, please write
your comments and let me know what you have observed in the text. 
&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;In Book VIII of &lt;em&gt;Confessions,&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt; Augustine recollects the experience of
internal turmoil, indecisiveness, self -knowledge, and temptation of old
memories and habits. Augustine encounters Lady Continence, urging him to trust
God. Throughout this eighth book, we see multiple pictures and stories, each in
its unique way, reinforcing one of this book’s main themes of trusting God
rather than self. As Continence speaks, trust seems to be such a simple act,
but complex emotions including fear, lust and pride are at stake. Continence
challenges, Augustine, &amp;quot;Why do you stand on yourself, and thus stand not
at all? Cast yourself on him. Have no fear. He will not draw back and let you
fall. Cast yourself trustfully on him: he will receive you and he will heal
you.”&lt;a name=&quot;_ftnref1&quot; href=&quot;#_ftn1&quot; title=&quot;_ftnref1&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[1]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
Trusting God, specifically through Jesus Christ, was included in the final
passage that brought a peaceful light streaming into Augustine’s soul. “Not in
rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and impurities, not in strife, and
envying; but put you on the Lord Jesus Chris, and make not provision for the
flesh in its concupiscence.”&lt;a name=&quot;_ftnref2&quot; href=&quot;#_ftn2&quot; title=&quot;_ftnref2&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[2]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;Contrary to
trusting God, trusting in self could include the comfortable dependence on
temporary pleasures and lusts of flesh, like “drunkenness,” or lust of the
eyes, “impurities” or the pride of life, such as “envy.” The Bishop Augustine
reflecting on this encounter with the lady of continence, says, “hosts of
youths, men and women of every age, grace widows and aged virgins…were born of
you, O Lord, her spouse.”&lt;a name=&quot;_ftnref3&quot; href=&quot;#_ftn3&quot; title=&quot;_ftnref3&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[3]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
She smiles at the young Augustine and says, “Cannot you do what these youths
and these maidens do?”&lt;a name=&quot;_ftnref4&quot; href=&quot;#_ftn4&quot; title=&quot;_ftnref4&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[4]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
This challenge not only challenges the young Augustine to consider the simple
of faith of uneducated, but also seems to be climatic of these previous stories
in the book that the Bishop Augustine has told. &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;Earlier in the
book, Augustine recalled how Simplicianus, who was mentor of Ambrose, told
Augustine a story about Victorinus. The story of Victorinus was the first of
several stories of showing how a person, with influence in the eyes of the
world, at one point, gave up trust in self to “cast themselves trustfully on
God.”&lt;a name=&quot;_ftnref5&quot; href=&quot;#_ftn5&quot; title=&quot;_ftnref5&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[5]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
James O’Donnell’s summarizes the book: “Book Eight, consists almost entirely of
a series of specific recalled episodes; the first two (conversations with
Simplicianus and Ponticianus) containing embedded narratives of other
conversation stories, the third (the garden scene) being Augustine’s own
conversion story.” &lt;a name=&quot;_ftnref6&quot; href=&quot;#_ftn6&quot; title=&quot;_ftnref6&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[6]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;Victorinus was a
Roman rhetorician, with wider fame than Augustine. For a while, Victorinus was
convinced intellectually that Christianity was true, but did not want to submit
his will and trust to the worship of the Holy Eucharist. Finally he submitted
and made a public profession of faith. Previously, Augustine wrote on his own
intellectual conversation, but the conversion of the heart, includes a decision
of trust. The older bishop Augustine now sees the similarity of both conversion
stories of Victorinus and himself. O’Donnell writes, “Nowhere in book eight,
does Augustine offer the slightest suggestion that he had any remaining
intellectual doubts about Christianity.”&lt;a name=&quot;_ftnref7&quot; href=&quot;#_ftn7&quot; title=&quot;_ftnref7&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[7]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
This indicates that the purpose of this book is to show the will of decision,
the attitude of the heart and surrender of trust.
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;Augustine
references multiple times, “the world.” Concerning his contemplation of
Victorinus, he mentions, “Thus by the burdens of this world I was sweetly
weighed down, just as a man often is in sleep.”&lt;a name=&quot;_ftnref8&quot; href=&quot;#_ftn8&quot; title=&quot;_ftnref8&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[8]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
As Augustine mentions “world” and “self,” he seems to be indicating a spiritual
dimension. According to Augustine, “self” is not just the physical, materialistic
body of Manichaeism. Neither is the “world” always, purely the physical world. It
is true that Augustine’s struggle was with the material world to some extent,
as he recollects his transition from Manichaeism to the ideas of Neo-Platonism.
He recalls Platonism persuading his mind away from the philosophical
materialism of Manichaeism.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;However,
Augustine, who references St. Paul’s letters of Romans and Ephesians throughout
this books, wrote, “Thus I understood from my own experience what I had read,
how ‘the flesh lusts against the spirit, and the spirit against the flesh.’”&lt;a name=&quot;_ftnref9&quot; href=&quot;#_ftn9&quot; title=&quot;_ftnref9&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[9]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;As Augustine’s
battle is not entirely the physical world (though the physical can be
included), he seems to be referring to the world defined by St. John in 1 John
2:15-17. Earlier, the Bishop Augustine had referenced, St. John who wrote, “Do
not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, love
for the Father is not in them. For everything in the world—the lust of the
flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father
but from the world. The world and its desires pass away, but whoever does the
will of God lives forever.”&lt;a name=&quot;_ftnref10&quot; href=&quot;#_ftn10&quot; title=&quot;_ftnref10&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[10]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
It seems that St. John, whom Augustine alludes, was bringing a clarification in
terms, that the world does not mean &lt;em&gt;just&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt; the physical world, &lt;em&gt;rather &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;than the ‘lust of the flesh, lust of the
eyes and pride of life.’” Otherwise St. John (and Augustine) would seem to be
contradicting himself, in his gospel account of Christ. John wrote, “For &lt;em&gt;God
so loved the world&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt; that
he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but
have eternal life.”&lt;a name=&quot;_ftnref11&quot; href=&quot;#_ftn11&quot; title=&quot;_ftnref11&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[11]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
So the “world” is not merely physical, but can also include the soul’s inward
desires and choices towards lust and pride.
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;Next Augustine
has a conversation with Ponticianus. Ponticianus speaks of the courtiers of
Trier who gave up everything that had to follow God. He references the
influence of the men reading Anthony, the Egyptian monk, who grew up in wealth
yet forsook it. Carl Vaught says, “Augustine’s shame intensifies as Ponticianus
continues to speak, and hidden dimensions of himself of which he has been
unaware for so long begin to emerge from behind his back. When his friend has
finished his story and leaves Augustine standing in the garden with Alypius,
the young Rhetorician begins to talk to himself. He lashes his soul to make it
follow his will; and the ethical side of himself no longer winks at his sin
(8.7.18). Yet in this moment of perplexity and indecision, he continues to turn
away from the transformation he seeks.”&lt;a name=&quot;_ftnref12&quot; href=&quot;#_ftn12&quot; title=&quot;_ftnref12&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[12]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;Augustine has
wanted success has a rhetorician, yet he is still holding to not only pride,
but specifically lust. It was not that anything was wrong specifically,
intrinsically with the material goods of this world including bodies and
possessions, but Augustine, must as Continence says himself trustfully on God.
This indicates Augustine no longer trusting finite goods, nor trusting his own
false infinitude. Collin Starnes says, “The problem with these finite goods was
simply that they were finite. The difficulty was not that nature was evil as
such, but its goods were temporal and limited and in this way they were
inadequate to his rational desire for the eternal and infinite good.”&lt;a name=&quot;_ftnref13&quot; href=&quot;#_ftn13&quot; title=&quot;_ftnref13&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[13]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
Starnes adds, “Sexual desires were the main thing that held him in the world
and so the forms in which he saw Continence were examples of sexual chastity.
As opposed to nature’s way which urged Augustine to an infinite pursuit of
finite goods, Continence (=the church) invited him to follow a single way to
the infinite good.”&lt;a name=&quot;_ftnref14&quot; href=&quot;#_ftn14&quot; title=&quot;_ftnref14&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[14]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
In chapter twelve, soon after hearing the voice a child, Augustine will think
again about Anthony forsaking all earthly pursuits to trust that he will have
treasure in heaven. 
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;Augustine
believed that Christianity is true, but he knew that he had to surrender his
trust just like Anthony and the others in this book of VIII.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Augustine opened the book, and the
chapter in which his eyes fell told him to put on Christ and make no provision
for the flesh. Thus, Augustine finally submitted to the words of continence, to
not stand on his own self, but to cast himself trustfully on God. &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0.0001pt&quot; class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div id=&quot;ftn1&quot;&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoFootnoteText&quot;&gt;
&lt;a name=&quot;_ftn1&quot; href=&quot;#_ftnref1&quot; title=&quot;_ftn1&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[1]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;Confessions 8.11.27&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div id=&quot;ftn2&quot;&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoFootnoteText&quot;&gt;
&lt;a name=&quot;_ftn2&quot; href=&quot;#_ftnref2&quot; title=&quot;_ftn2&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[2]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt; Romans 13:14 cited,
Confessions 8.12.29&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div id=&quot;ftn3&quot;&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoFootnoteText&quot;&gt;
&lt;a name=&quot;_ftn3&quot; href=&quot;#_ftnref3&quot; title=&quot;_ftn3&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[3]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
Confessions 8.11.27&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div id=&quot;ftn4&quot;&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoFootnoteText&quot;&gt;
&lt;a name=&quot;_ftn4&quot; href=&quot;#_ftnref4&quot; title=&quot;_ftn4&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[4]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
Ibid. &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div id=&quot;ftn5&quot;&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoFootnoteText&quot;&gt;
&lt;a name=&quot;_ftn5&quot; href=&quot;#_ftnref5&quot; title=&quot;_ftn5&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[5]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
Ibid. &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div id=&quot;ftn6&quot;&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoFootnoteText&quot;&gt;
&lt;a name=&quot;_ftn6&quot; href=&quot;#_ftnref6&quot; title=&quot;_ftn6&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[6]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
James O’Donnell, &lt;em&gt;Augustine’s Confessions&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;, Vol. III. &lt;em&gt;Commentary,&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt; (Oxford: Clarendon
Press, 1992), 3.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div id=&quot;ftn7&quot;&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoFootnoteText&quot;&gt;
&lt;a name=&quot;_ftn7&quot; href=&quot;#_ftnref7&quot; title=&quot;_ftn7&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[7]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
James O’Donnell, &lt;em&gt;Augustine’s Confessions&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;, Vol. III. &lt;em&gt;Commentary,&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt; (Oxford: Clarendon
Press, 1992), 8. &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div id=&quot;ftn8&quot;&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoFootnoteText&quot;&gt;
&lt;a name=&quot;_ftn8&quot; href=&quot;#_ftnref8&quot; title=&quot;_ftn8&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[8]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
Confessions, 8.5.2&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div id=&quot;ftn9&quot;&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoFootnoteText&quot;&gt;
&lt;a name=&quot;_ftn9&quot; href=&quot;#_ftnref9&quot; title=&quot;_ftn9&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[9]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
Ibid. &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div id=&quot;ftn10&quot;&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoFootnoteText&quot;&gt;
&lt;a name=&quot;_ftn10&quot; href=&quot;#_ftnref10&quot; title=&quot;_ftn10&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[10]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt; 1 John 2:15-17 NIV&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div id=&quot;ftn11&quot;&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoFootnoteText&quot;&gt;
&lt;a name=&quot;_ftn11&quot; href=&quot;#_ftnref11&quot; title=&quot;_ftn11&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[11]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt; John 3:16 NIV&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div id=&quot;ftn12&quot;&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoFootnoteText&quot;&gt;
&lt;a name=&quot;_ftn12&quot; href=&quot;#_ftnref12&quot; title=&quot;_ftn12&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[12]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt; Carl G. Vaught, &lt;em&gt;Encounters
with God in Augustine’s Confessions,&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt; Books VII-IX, (Albany: State University of New
York Press, 2004), 84.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div id=&quot;ftn13&quot;&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoFootnoteText&quot;&gt;
&lt;a name=&quot;_ftn13&quot; href=&quot;#_ftnref13&quot; title=&quot;_ftn13&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[13]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt; Colin Starnes, &lt;em&gt;Augustine’s
Conversion&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;,
(Waterloo: Wilfried Laurier University Press, 1990), 230-231.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div id=&quot;ftn14&quot;&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoFootnoteText&quot;&gt;
&lt;a name=&quot;_ftn14&quot; href=&quot;#_ftnref14&quot; title=&quot;_ftn14&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[14]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt; Starnes, 231.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/p&gt;
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 <description>In Book two, of the &lt;em&gt;Confessions,&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt; Augustine recollected the evening in
which, late one night, he and his buddies stole pears from his neighbor’s
vineyard. At first reading, this does not seem like too big of a deal. Obviously,
most ethical theories understand that stealing is wrong, but do not most boys
steal at some point in their lives? Why would stealing fulfill Augustine’s deep
description of depth of foul lust and carnality in the opening in this book: “I
wish to bring back to mind my past foulness and the carnal corruptions of my
soul.”&lt;a name=&quot;_ftnref1&quot; href=&quot;#_ftn1&quot; title=&quot;_ftnref1&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[1]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
Augustine wrote, “For in my youth, I burned to get my fill of hellish things. I
dared to run wild in different ways of love.”&lt;a name=&quot;_ftnref2&quot; href=&quot;#_ftn2&quot; title=&quot;_ftnref2&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[2]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
Burning to get his fill of hellish things, does not seem to describe a few
young teenagers stealing pears from a neighbor’s orchid and feeding them to
pigs.&lt;span&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;But Augustine’s aim is
not merely autobiographical, to tell stories of his hell raising pear theft,
but to allow the reader to see the metaphysical nature of sin.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Carl Vaught reminds the reader, “The
pear-stealing episode is not simply Augustine’s story, but also our own.”&lt;a name=&quot;_ftnref3&quot; href=&quot;#_ftn3&quot; title=&quot;_ftnref3&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[3]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0.0001pt&quot; class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;In these early stories like that of the
pear, theft as well the theater scene, Augustine described his sin as disorder
and movement into nothingness.&lt;span&gt; 
&lt;/span&gt;Colin Starnes wrote, “Unlike animals, man can steal because he places
the things in the world in a rational relationship with himself.”&lt;a name=&quot;_ftnref4&quot; href=&quot;#_ftn4&quot; title=&quot;_ftnref4&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[4]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
Augustine begins the pear theft story by simply stating that he sinned against
God by rebelling against God’s written revelation, but also the natural law
written on the hearts of men. Augustine did not need the pears, but he willed
to commit theft and drove himself into destruction. &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0.0001pt&quot; class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;Augustine also revealed that sin is the
denial of the rationality, which distinguishes human beings from other
creatures. Starnes seems to be in agreement with Vaught on this point. Starnes
said that this is pure violation of the law of non-contradiction. He wrote,
“Animals cannot steal because they ‘know’ no other form of ownership than
immediate possession. But, having once recognized the rational ordering of
things- ‘the pear belong to my neighbor’- the thief goes on, in one and the
same breath, to deny that order to suit his own particular interest- the pears
are mind. This is the purest self-contraction which, in relation to property,
is the universal form of theft.”&lt;a name=&quot;_ftnref5&quot; href=&quot;#_ftn5&quot; title=&quot;_ftnref5&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[5]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
Theft can only be done by humans, but the action self contradicts human nature,
because it does not consider the rationality of other persons nor himself. &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0.0001pt&quot; class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;Augustine, later in book two, wrote about
a division of the goods that God has placed in the universe. When Augustine
denied the law, in order obtain a pretended liberty, he imitated God, by
feeling a false sense of omnipotence. He sought to break God’s rational order
as he willingly sought sin for its own sake. Augustine therefore showed us that
the root of sin has nothing to do with the pears in of themselves. He wrote
several times in book two that he did not need the pears, nor was he hungry.
“But I willed to commit theft, and I did so, not because I was driven to it by
any need.”&lt;a name=&quot;_ftnref6&quot; href=&quot;#_ftn6&quot; title=&quot;_ftnref6&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[6]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0.0001pt&quot; class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;Starnes provided a clear description by
calling Augustine’s descent the negation of being.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;“He has shown that in his adolescence he willed nothing less
than the negation of being, life and truth of the universe as a whole. Through
his fornications and through the theft of pears he had tried to pervert the
natural and rational orders, themselves, considered qua orders, to his own
private desires. And in both, but in the latter especially and
self-consciously, he set himself in absolute opposition to the universe and to
the designs of its maker.” &lt;a name=&quot;_ftnref7&quot; href=&quot;#_ftn7&quot; title=&quot;_ftnref7&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[7]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
Augustine’s sin became negation of being. &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0.0001pt&quot; class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;Augustine says that he turned away from
God and therefore erred. He implies that err is missing the mark of God’s moral
nature. Because Augustine turns from God’s nature, he becomes a wasteland.
Though God’s character is unchanging, Augustine moves into a changing spiral of
longing and thirsting after counterfeit and self-destruction.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0.0001pt&quot; class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;Just as the pear theft gave Augustine a
counterfeit sense of God’s metaphysical attribute of God’s omnipotence, the
theater provides Augustine a counterfeit experience of God’s moral attributes.
God in his nature is merciful, love, joy and just.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;However, Augustine sought a counterfeit of these attributes
in the theater. He watches a counterfeit of love on the stage, but it is not
true love. For true love takes action of providing and protecting. Augustine
experienced a feeling a love, but did not have to commit to the actors of
stage. He felt mercy but does not have to show justice. The more moved
Augustine’s heart longs for the fictions, the less he is free. Though God in
his nature is free, Augustine rejected God’s character and turned to
counterfeit freedom that only leads to bondage. Carl Vaught observed that sin
is that which is counterfeit. “The theater is filled with images of his own
misery and because he can identify his own predicament with what he sees
depicted there. On the other hand, he distances himself from the theater by
insisting that he does not want the tragic events enacted there to happen to
himself. As a consequence, his love for the theater becomes a counterfeit
version of his life and a counterfeit solution to the problems generated by his
own misery.”&lt;a name=&quot;_ftnref8&quot; href=&quot;#_ftn8&quot; title=&quot;_ftnref8&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[8]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; Longing for
fictions provided counterfeit, but took away true freedom. &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0.0001pt&quot; class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;The sin of Augustine’s heart in the
theater, is encountering a low level of being. Vaught wrote, “they point away
from the themselves to the &lt;em&gt;nihil &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;to
which the pear-stealing episode calls our attention.”&lt;a name=&quot;_ftnref9&quot; href=&quot;#_ftn9&quot; title=&quot;_ftnref9&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[9]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
Though we see distinction between the two sins, the movement towards
nothingness is parallel in both the pear story and theater scene. The actors
are not real and their love is not as good as true love in real life. Likewise,
earlier Augustine had stolen the pears, even though they did not look, nor
taste as good as the ones in his own vineyard. Augustine said that he would not
have stolen the pears alone, but later he said that friendships were nothing.&lt;a name=&quot;_ftnref10&quot; href=&quot;#_ftn10&quot; title=&quot;_ftnref10&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[10]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;This is evil without purpose, a
denial of humanness and the intrinsic knowledge of laws of logic. Vaught
described this sin: “willfullness plunges beneath the continuum of finite
goods, displaying an infinite attachment of its own infinitude.”&lt;a name=&quot;_ftnref11&quot; href=&quot;#_ftn11&quot; title=&quot;_ftnref11&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[11]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
Augustine’s illusion of his own infinitude negates the love of knowing and
finding rest in God. Sin is a disorder, illusion, and lunge into bondage and
ultimately nothingness. Augustine has shown as that sin descends in lower
levels moving in a negation of being, but it often begins with the exchange of
the truth for a lie “tending down towards lower things, forgets you, its
creator, and loves your creature more than yourself.”&lt;a name=&quot;_ftnref12&quot; href=&quot;#_ftn12&quot; title=&quot;_ftnref12&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[12]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div id=&quot;ftn1&quot;&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoFootnoteText&quot;&gt;
&lt;a name=&quot;_ftn1&quot; href=&quot;#_ftnref1&quot; title=&quot;_ftn1&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[1]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;Augustine, &lt;em&gt;Confessions&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;, 2.1.1.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div id=&quot;ftn2&quot;&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoFootnoteText&quot;&gt;
&lt;a name=&quot;_ftn2&quot; href=&quot;#_ftnref2&quot; title=&quot;_ftn2&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[2]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
Augustine, 2.1.1.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div id=&quot;ftn3&quot;&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;a name=&quot;_ftn3&quot; href=&quot;#_ftnref3&quot; title=&quot;_ftn3&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[3]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
Carl G. Vaught, &lt;em&gt;The Journey Toward God in Augustine’s Confessions,&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt; Books I-IV, (New York:
State University of New York Press, 2003), 51. &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div id=&quot;ftn4&quot;&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoFootnoteText&quot;&gt;
&lt;a name=&quot;_ftn4&quot; href=&quot;#_ftnref4&quot; title=&quot;_ftn4&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[4]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
Colin Starnes, &lt;em&gt;Augustine’s Conversions,&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt; (Ontario: Wilfried Laurier University
Press, 1990) 40. &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;p class=&quot;MsoFootnoteText&quot;&gt;
&lt;a name=&quot;_ftn5&quot; href=&quot;#_ftnref5&quot; title=&quot;_ftn5&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[5]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
Ibid. &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div id=&quot;ftn6&quot;&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoFootnoteText&quot;&gt;
&lt;a name=&quot;_ftn6&quot; href=&quot;#_ftnref6&quot; title=&quot;_ftn6&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[6]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Confessions&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;2.4.9. &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div id=&quot;ftn7&quot;&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoFootnoteText&quot;&gt;
&lt;a name=&quot;_ftn7&quot; href=&quot;#_ftnref7&quot; title=&quot;_ftn7&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[7]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
Starnes, 40. &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div id=&quot;ftn8&quot;&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoFootnoteText&quot;&gt;
&lt;a name=&quot;_ftn8&quot; href=&quot;#_ftnref8&quot; title=&quot;_ftn8&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[8]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
Vaught, 69. &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div id=&quot;ftn9&quot;&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoFootnoteText&quot;&gt;
&lt;a name=&quot;_ftn9&quot; href=&quot;#_ftnref9&quot; title=&quot;_ftn9&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[9]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
Ibid., 72. &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div id=&quot;ftn10&quot;&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoFootnoteText&quot;&gt;
&lt;a name=&quot;_ftn10&quot; href=&quot;#_ftnref10&quot; title=&quot;_ftn10&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[10]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
Augustine 2.8.16. &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div id=&quot;ftn11&quot;&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoFootnoteText&quot;&gt;
&lt;a name=&quot;_ftn11&quot; href=&quot;#_ftnref11&quot; title=&quot;_ftn11&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[11]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
Vaught, 61. &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div id=&quot;ftn12&quot;&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoFootnoteText&quot;&gt;
&lt;a name=&quot;_ftn12&quot; href=&quot;#_ftnref12&quot; title=&quot;_ftn12&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoFootnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;[12]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
Augustine 2.3.6.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
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Genesis 32:28 records Jacob, the son of Isaac, who was the son of Abraham, having his name changed to Israel.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Why?&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The text tells us it is, “because you have struggled with God and with men and have overcome.”&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;What a prophetic word, with a promise.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;
The context of the passage shows us that it was Jacob who wrestled the angel and won, but the message from the angel and name Israel takes on much more theological significance than we may typically think.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;To understand this more it will be helpful to take a macro view of the Israelites heritage through the Old Testament.&lt;span&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Moses and Elijah are two Old Testament heroes of the faith who were worn out by the lack of faith and depravity possessed by God’s chosen people.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In 1 Kings 19:10 Elijah communicates his plight to the Lord of how the Israelites have rejected God’s covenant (Mosaic) and put the prophets to death.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Elijah saw himself as next in line the line of fire and was wondering where hope for Israel was to be found.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;God replied that he had reserved seven thousand in Israel. (1 Kings 19:18)&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Moses’ frustrations with the Israelites are well documented throughout the Law.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Numbers 20:1-13 tells us the quarrels the people had with Moses over the lack of abundance they found in the desert.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;God asked Moses to speak to the rock and it would provide water, but Moses becomes angry with the people’s obstinacy and he struck the rock instead.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As a result God did not let Moses enter the Promised Land. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
 Israel’s struggle with men is just as old as their struggle with God.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In 2 Chron. 12:3-4 Solomon’s son Rehoboam is attacked by the king of Egypt.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The name of the Egyptian king is Shishak, and he brought against Israel a massive army: “twelve hundred chariots and sixty thousand horsemen and the innumerable troops of Libyans, Sukkites and Cushites that came with him from Egypt,”. (2 Chron. 12:3)&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The Sukkites are an unidentified group, but most likely they are from N. Africa since the other three nations mentioned in this text launch their attack from Egypt.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Cush is considered part of modern day Ethiopia.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The outcome of this battle was that Israel was defeated but not destroyed.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The nation of Israel divided into two kingdoms shortly after the reign of Rehoboam.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The division was in 930 B.C.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The northern kingdom was Israel, and the southern kingdom was Judah.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Jerusalem was the dividing line between the north and south, Jerusalem being part of the south.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Samaria became the new capitol for the northern kingdom and 1 Kings 20:1-30 describes Israel’s king Ahab, fighting against the Arameans, which is modern day Syria.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The Arameans also came against Israel with a massive army and lost over a hundred and twenty seven thousand troops. (1 Kings 20:29-30) &lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt; 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Nearly two hundred years later, between 724-722 B.C. Israel was invaded, the capitol Samaria collapsed, and the people were sent into exile by the king of Assyria.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Assyria was a geographic region which today makes up four nations:&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Syria, Northern Iraq, Eastern Turkey, and a sliver of Iran. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The southern kingdom, Judah, survived as a sovereign nation until it was invaded by the Babylonian Empire.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Babylon is a city in the nation of Iraq.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The Babylonians invaded Judah three times, each time taking groups of Israelites into captivity.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The last invasion and exile, including the destruction of Jerusalem, was in 586 B.C. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Despite Israel’s removal from the Promised Land, God in his mercy and love did not cast Israel permanently to the side.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;II Chronicles 36:14-21 summarizes the reasons God allowed his people into captivity and the text reveals the last of the survivors who went into exile were called “the remnant”. (II Chr. 36: 20)&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In fulfillment of the prophet Jeremiah’s words found in Jeremiah 29:10 “the remnant” in Babylon were allowed to return to their homeland.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
What makes Israel’s name so theologically rich is since their existence as a nation, Israel has consistently struggled with God and men.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I think this struggle relates to their spiritual condition before God, as well as the national implications between other nations.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In my next blog I’ll continue on this theme of Israel’s struggle with God and men, as it relates to history from the time of Christ to today, and how can we expect Israel to overcome? 
&lt;/p&gt;
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