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 <description>&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt;“Satan made me do it,” and no one recognized it. Is it just me, or does this seem to be an accurate adage for how the Christian faith often functions today? As much as we may mention evil, and its
ramifications upon our lives, how often are we really combatting it? Resisting
temptations is one manifestation of opposing the dark powers that may be, but
it is only one among many.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt;The evil things that creep into our lives and
communities are often the kind that we don’t recognize—“a wolf in sheep’s clothing.”
Most people can recognize a temptation when they see it, but there are also
many subtle, evil things that slowly dwindle away at our dedication to
following God’s will. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;strong style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt;These subtle, evil
things manifest themselves in simple ways, like “reason” overpowering faith,
and demonic possession being excused as merely mental illness.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt;There is a spiritual gift that those who know
how to recognize evil have. Paul mentions it in one of his lists of spiritual
gifts.&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
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	&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
	&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background-color: #f5f5f5; font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;To each is given the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;background-color: #f5f5f5; font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;manifestation of the Spirit&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background-color: #f5f5f5; font-family: Arial&quot;&gt; for the common&lt;/span&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;background-color: #f5f5f5; font-family: Arial&quot;&gt; good&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background-color: #f5f5f5; font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;background-color: #f5f5f5; font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;For to one is given &lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background-color: #f5f5f5; font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;through the Spirit &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background-color: #f5f5f5; font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;t&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background-color: #f5f5f5; font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;he utterance of wisdom&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background-color: #f5f5f5; font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit,&lt;em&gt; t&lt;/em&gt;o another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another &lt;em&gt;the ability to distinguish between spirits&lt;/em&gt;, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills (1 Corinthians 12:7–11 ESV).&lt;/span&gt;
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	&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt;More literally, this gift can be rendered as “distinguishing of
spirits” or “distinction of spirits.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt; Paul
regularly talks about good and evil—recognizing how these two opposing forces
interact in our lives and in our communities.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt;The author of Hebrews makes nearly the same
point as Paul: “&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt;But
solid [spiritual] food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of
discernment trained by &lt;em&gt;constant practice
to distinguish good from evil&lt;/em&gt;” (Heb 5:14). Like faith, everyone who claims
to believe in Jesus should have the ability to distinguish between good and
evil things and spirits, but some are more gifted in this area than others. And
note how the author of Hebrews prefaces this topic: using the word “constant.”
The “practice” must be constant. It’s constant because evil is constant.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt;Although its not regularly discussed in most church
communities—probably because its viewed as weird by those who don’t believe the
same way—the warring powers of good and evil are a regular topic in the New
Testament.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt; Jesus, the apostles, and his
disciples regularly cast out demons. Paul writes letters that have the fight
against the powers of evil as a central topic, like his second letter to the
Corinthians. And, Peter makes the fight against evil the crux of his second
letter; ditto for Jude and John’s apocalypse that we call Revelation.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt;At the center of the Bible, thematically, is the idea of a war for
souls, and the tragic love story of a God trying to prompt His beloved people
away from these evil spirits and evil choices.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt; These evil spirits are warring for our allegiance. They exist
because, like us, they chose to follow their own wills over God’s perfect will.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt;Buy why would God let them exist at all? &lt;strong&gt;Everyday that God doesn’t vanquish the evil
spirits from the earth is an opportunity for people to come to salvation.&lt;/strong&gt;
For the day that He vanquishes evil, He will destroy all of it, including evil
people because they keep the evil spirits and other kinds of evil alive in them.
But that day is not today. Instead, today Jesus offers grace in the hope that
before the end we will choose Him back.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt;Between now and the last day, we as
Christians must distinguish between good and evil spirits. We must know when
it’s truly God performing miracles, offering a prophetic word, and speaking in
tongues, and when its evil powers doing work that mimics God’s. This
distinction comes through a knowledge base in the difference between good and
evil, as articulated in the biblical text, and a dedication to prayer, so that
we may receive wisdom and discernment. Furthermore, the distinction itself is
simple in most cases: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;strong style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt;Is the [you name
it] being used to free people and offer them the gracious way of Jesus, or is
[you name it] being used for the power or gain of select individuals? (Who is
it really about?)&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt; Now there are many situations that are too complicated
for this question to answer—requiring those with the spiritual gift of
discerning between spirits—but for most, this question can be used.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt;Those who are gifted in the area of discernment between the
spirits must act. For if they don’t, we will all end up in a situation we don’t
want to be in: a place where evil is guiding in our communities and hearts, not
God. Christ has overcome evil; we must rely on Him to help us identify it and
fight against it. For this reason, we must grant people with the gift of
distinguishing between spirits the freedom to do so. We must embrace their
gift, not be afraid of it.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Calibri&quot;&gt;How can you make people with the spiritual gift of discerning between spirits feel comfortable to speak up when the time
comes? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/spiritual-gifts-or-curses&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Spiritual gifts or curses?&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/we-dont-compare-ourselves-to-elijah-but-should&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;We don’t compare ourselves to Elijah but should&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
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	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/banishing-sunday-school-teachers&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Banishing Sunday school teachers&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/spiritual-gridlock-the-end-of-miracles&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Spiritual gridlock: the end of miracles?&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/the-myth-of-the-apolitical-church&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;The myth of the apolitical church&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/healing-its-what-we-all-need&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Healing: it&#039;s what we all need&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/help-a-war-cry-not-a-cry-of-desperation&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Help: a war cry, not a cry of desperation&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
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	&lt;li&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/purpose-its-confusing&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Purpose: it&#039;s confusing&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/font&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/be-a-man&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;quot;Be a man&amp;quot;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/growing-pains-dont-be-like-mike&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Growing pains: don&#039;t be like Mike&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/i-don%E2%80%99t-want-you-to-be-uninformed&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;I don&#039;t want you to be uninformed&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/spiritual-gifts-a-definition&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Spiritual gifts: a definition&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/node/49014/edit&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Onward towards a better way&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/wheres-god-today&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Where&#039;s God today?&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
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	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/faith-as-a-gift&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Faith as a gift&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
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 <category domain="http://www.conversantlife.com/taxonomy/term/4486">1 Corinthians 12</category>
 <category domain="http://www.conversantlife.com/taxonomy/term/4540">Hebrews 5:14</category>
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 <title>Faith as a Gift</title>
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 <description>&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;I don’t know anyone
that authentically follows Jesus that hasn’t struggled with faith at some
point. Some people struggle intellectually: they learn something new and don’t
know how to compute it with their faith. Others are troubled because of crisis:
Something horrible happens and they don’t know if they believe anymore, because
they can’t imagine God letting the pain or evil they’ve experienced go
unchecked.&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;A little observed fact about Christianity is that struggle
is a good thing. Few good things happen without scars. (And everyone needs to
grow up, out of the ignorance of youth.) No one ever lived a great life without
some sort of turmoil. The greatest leaders in Christianity have suffered for
their beliefs, and nearly all of Jesus’ earliest followers died for their
beliefs.
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;But it’s a major problem
when we blame God for the physical, spiritual, and intellectual struggles we
experience. &lt;/strong&gt;This problem is rooted in a misunderstanding of how God
operates in the world.&lt;strong&gt; The pain in our
world is rooted in how people respond to God; not in God’s decisions.&lt;/strong&gt; If we
were all in perfect relationship with God, evil people wouldn’t exist.
Likewise, if we were in perfect relationship with God, we wouldn’t have
intellectual struggles. We would know Him and understand Him. And if we were in
perfect relationship with God, the world wouldn’t be a chaotic mess full of
physical pain.
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;In addition, intellectual struggles are usually rooted in ignorance,
like the kind often manifested in fundamentalism. (“Just believe what we say,”
is how I define fundamentalism.) In many sects of Christianity, faith is seen
as something separated from intellect. Thus, when intellect is actually used to
analyze faith, faith begins to crumble. I’m betting that if we taught the full
truth in our churches, we wouldn’t see people lose faith in college. Instead,
we would see them encounter things they already had an answer to. And when they
didn’t have an answer, they would have a support system—in other people and in
their own faith—to rely on. We would support them in the struggle. We need
people to rely on, but who are they? How do we identify them?
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;Here’s where it gets really good: There is a spiritual gift
to support people in faith struggles. Yes, faith itself can be a spiritual
gift.
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote style=&quot;margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 40px; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-image: initial; border-style: none; padding: 0px&quot;&gt;
	&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background-color: #f5f5f5; font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;To each is given the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;background-color: #f5f5f5; font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;manifestation of the Spirit&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background-color: #f5f5f5; font-family: Arial&quot;&gt; for the common&lt;/span&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;background-color: #f5f5f5; font-family: Arial&quot;&gt; good&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background-color: #f5f5f5; font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;background-color: #f5f5f5; font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;For to one is given &lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background-color: #f5f5f5; font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;through the Spirit &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background-color: #f5f5f5; font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;t&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background-color: #f5f5f5; font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;he utterance of wisdom&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background-color: #f5f5f5; font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;, and &lt;em&gt;to another the &lt;/em&gt;utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit,&lt;em&gt; to another faith by the same Spirit&lt;/em&gt;, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills (1 Corinthians 12:7–11 ESV).&lt;/span&gt;
	&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;Have you ever met someone with the gift of faith? They just
seem to be faithful no matter what. They’re always loyal, always attached to
Christ, and never cease to believe in the betterment of others&lt;strong&gt;. People with the gift of faith place
everything in the hands of Jesus—claiming that He will redeem, no matter what
the circumstances.&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;strong&gt;These people are
encouraging. They give us hope&lt;/strong&gt; (which happens to be part of the definition
of faith, in Hebrews 11:1).
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;Now, faith is required for all Christians, as is wisdom and
knowledge. But the thing about spiritual gifts is that they are a way of
labeling what comes easier for some people over others. (Spiritual offices are
more unique in this regard.) Some are almost naturally wise—always observing.
Others seem to just remember things—they know when others forget. And others
just believe—no matter what, they have faith when others don’t.
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The most faithful
among us are rarely recognized. They’re uncompromising, but we don’t realize it
because nothing ever seems to change about them: they don’t complain when
things get difficult, but instead believe.&lt;/strong&gt; They’re forcing us all to grow,
but we don’t recognize their growth because it’s too consistent.&lt;strong&gt; People with the gift of faith are like an
oak tree in the front yard. &lt;/strong&gt;It’s growth is slow and steady. It’s not until
we reflect on pictures of the tree when it was small that we realize that it
has been with us all along, and has been a subtle reminder of providence. God
has cared for it, because it simply waited patiently for the sun and the rain.
And something as simple as its leafs and fallen branches become a nurturing
place for others.
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;We need people who will remind us of what we’re meant to be,
and people with the gift of faith do just that. Every community needs someone
who remembers what it’s all about: the gospel and the gospel alone—showing the
love of Jesus to the world and the hope of salvation He offers.
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;We all need hope. And
we all need someone to believe in us when we’ve stopped believing in ourselves.
People with the gift of faith see God’s faithfulness working in us and through
us. They recognize Jesus’ plan for our lives, as individuals and collectively
as church communities; and they continue to remind us of it.&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Who has faith no matter what in your community?
How can you promote people with this gift?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;strong style=&quot;color: #444444&quot;&gt;Join the movement. Be the first to know. &lt;a href=&quot;http://eepurl.com/c4ZqA&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Sign up for updates here.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;
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&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;strong style=&quot;color: #444444&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://eepurl.com/c4ZqA&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong style=&quot;color: #444444&quot;&gt;Want to read the entire series? Here is a round-up:&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #444444&quot; class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/spiritual-gifts-or-curses&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Spiritual gifts or curses?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/we-dont-compare-ourselves-to-elijah-but-should&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;We don’t compare ourselves to Elijah but should&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/treating-pastors-like-restaurant-managers&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Treating pastors like restaurant managers&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/jesus-in-a-cashmere-sweater&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Jesus in a cashmere sweater&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/banishing-sunday-school-teachers&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Banishing Sunday school teachers&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/spiritual-gridlock-the-end-of-miracles&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Spiritual gridlock: the end of miracles?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/the-myth-of-the-apolitical-church&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;The myth of the apolitical church&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/healing-its-what-we-all-need&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Healing: it&#039;s what we all need&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/help-a-war-cry-not-a-cry-of-desperation&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Help: a war cry, not a cry of desperation&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/administrators-leaders-not-paper-pushers&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Administrators: leaders, not paper pushers&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/node/44083/edit&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Speaking in tongues: not crazy, just different&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/interpreting-well-everything&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Interpreting, (well) everything&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/the-higher-gifts-an-owners-manual&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;The higher gifts: an owner&#039;s manual&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/why-pastors-never-meet-expectations&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Why pastors never meet expectations&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/looney-tunes-and-the-church&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Looney tunes and the church&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/purpose-its-confusing&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Purpose: it&#039;s confusing&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/be-a-man&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&amp;quot;Be a man&amp;quot;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/growing-pains-dont-be-like-mike&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Growing pains: don&#039;t be like Mike&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/i-don%E2%80%99t-want-you-to-be-uninformed&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;I don&#039;t want you to be uninformed&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/spiritual-gifts-a-definition&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Spiritual gifts: a definition&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/node/49014/edit&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Onward towards a better way&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/wheres-god-today&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Where&#039;s God today?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/faith-over-intellect-intellect-over-faith-0&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Faith over intellect? Intellect over faith?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
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 <title>Where&#039;s God Today?</title>
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 <description>&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;“Where’s God today?” is one of the most common
questions I’m asked after I tell someone that I’m a Christian. The question
implies that in a suffering world it’s hard to believe a good God exists. We
struggle with this question, but I’m beginning to think that we do so for all
the wrong reasons.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;The rhetorical question of “Where’s God today?” makes
me ask the question “Why isn’t the Church making this clear?”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial&quot;&gt; If it’s our duty as Christians to show others who
God is by living like Jesus—in love, kindness, and generosity—then the fact
that this question is being asked reflects poorly on us, not God. We struggle
with answering it because we, as Christian communities, are struggling with our
faith.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;An example: There is
enough w&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;ealth in the world to
solve world hunger and the water crisis, even in the midst of famines in places
like the Horn of Africa. So the question isn’t “Why isn’t God providing?” but
“Why aren’t we as Christians in wealthy nations responding?” Self-sacrifice has
become a colloquialism in Christianity, while the way of the cross is, in
actuality, being set aside.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;But the world’s problems aren’t the only reason why
Christians are asked, “Where is God?” We’re showing little evidence that God is
here today&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;—as an actor in our midst
performing miracles and gifting us with other gifts—and is always accessible.
Likewise, wisdom has become uncommon. It’s something we seek and learn through
prayer, simple observations of how the world functions, and experience. (The
basis for this is the sources of wisdom in Proverbs that are cited: teachers,
observing people and nature, and seeking God’s direct guidance.) The experience
part most of us get, but the prayer part most of us are terrible at. And many
of the people in our communities that have wisdom, like the elderly, are not
looked to as teachers, but instead are set aside; we as Christians often treat
them like everyone else in our culture—as second class.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;In his first letter to the
Corinthians, Paul presents an alternative.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote style=&quot;margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 40px; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-image: initial; border-style: none; padding: 0px&quot;&gt;
	&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
	&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;To each is given the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;manifestation of the Spirit&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial&quot;&gt; for the
	common&lt;/span&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;font-family: Arial&quot;&gt; good&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;For to one is given&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial&quot;&gt; through the Spirit &lt;/span&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;the utterance of wisdom&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;, and to another the utterance of knowledge
	according to the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another
	gifts of healing by the one Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to
	another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to
	another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. All
	these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one
	individually as he wills (1 Corinthians 12:7–11 ESV).&lt;/span&gt;
	&lt;/font&gt;
	&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;For Paul, wisdom is one of the ways that God shows
who He is through us. It demonstrates His presence to those around us.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial&quot;&gt; It’s a gift from Him. And like other spiritual gifts,
it’s for the purpose of being helpful (a perhaps better gloss of “good” in 1
Corinthians 12:7). This helpfulness should be directed towards God’s purposes:
growing the church and simply loving others.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;The “utterance” or “word” of
wisdom is steeped in tradition: primarily the book of Proverbs and
Ecclesiastes. And related to the wisdom tradition is the story of Job, Songs of
Solomon, and the Psalms.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;If you want to know what it means to be wise, spend
some time in Proverbs.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial&quot;&gt; (Every time I
do, I find out how far I still need to go in my spiritual journey. Proverbs is
meant to humble us and teach us; that’s precisely what it does.) Proverbs tell
us “For the Lord gives wisdom; from his mouth comes knowledge and
understanding.” It also says that when we become wise that “Then you will
understand righteousness and justice and equity, every good path; for wisdom
will come into your heart, and knowledge will be pleasant to your soul”
(Proverbs 2:6, 9–10 ESV).&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;And all of this is directly connected to what we
choose to do about the world’s problems and what we encourage other people to
do.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial&quot;&gt; Proverbs makes this point as
well:&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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	&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;I, wisdom, dwell with
	prudence, and I find knowledge and discretion. The fear of the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial; font-variant: small-caps&quot;&gt;Lord&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial&quot;&gt; is hatred of evil. ... Pride and
	arrogance and the way of evil and perverted speech I hate. … I walk in the way
	of righteousness, in the paths of justice, granting an inheritance to those who
	love me, and filling their treasuries … The &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial; font-variant: small-caps&quot;&gt;Lord&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;
	possessed me at the beginning of his work, the first of his acts of old. Ages
	ago I was set up, at the first, before the beginning of the earth. (Proverbs
	8:1, 20–21, 22–24).&lt;/span&gt;
	&lt;/font&gt;
	&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;We learn in John’s Gospel that Jesus Himself is this
wisdom (John 1:1).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial&quot;&gt; The same language
is actually reflected here in Paul’s letter: “the &lt;em&gt;word&lt;/em&gt; of wisdom.” (“Word” is a more literal translation of
“utterance”—both are based on the same Greek word, &lt;em&gt;logos&lt;/em&gt;.) By acting upon wisdom, we act upon the very belief set that
Jesus established—His very personhood is shown through acts of self-sacrifice.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;If we could simply follow the way of the sage through
the power of the Holy Spirit, we would all be much more Christ like.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial&quot;&gt; And some are more gifted in this than others—it’s to
them that we should look to when attempting to discern a difficult decision.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;Wisdom is only hard to come
by today because we do not seek it. In a letter by James, (likely the brother
of Jesus), we’re told: “If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives
generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him. But let him ask
in faith, with no doubting” (James 1:5).&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;If we could find our way back towards valuing wisdom,
and placing an emphasis on it, perhaps less people would ask, “Where is God?”
and more would ask, “How can I know Him?”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial&quot;&gt;Are there people in your Church who
seem to be wise; do people look to them for guidance? How would you recommend
we, as Christians, begin to place an emphasis on wisdom again?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong style=&quot;color: #444444&quot;&gt;Join the movement. Be the first to know. &lt;a href=&quot;http://eepurl.com/c4ZqA&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Sign up for updates here.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong style=&quot;color: #444444&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://eepurl.com/c4ZqA&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong style=&quot;color: #444444&quot;&gt;Want to read the entire series? Here is a round-up:&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;color: #444444&quot; class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/spiritual-gifts-or-curses&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Spiritual gifts or curses?&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/we-dont-compare-ourselves-to-elijah-but-should&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;We don’t compare ourselves to Elijah but should&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/treating-pastors-like-restaurant-managers&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Treating pastors like restaurant managers&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/jesus-in-a-cashmere-sweater&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Jesus in a cashmere sweater&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/banishing-sunday-school-teachers&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Banishing Sunday school teachers&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/spiritual-gridlock-the-end-of-miracles&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Spiritual gridlock: the end of miracles?&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/the-myth-of-the-apolitical-church&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;The myth of the apolitical church&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/healing-its-what-we-all-need&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Healing: it&#039;s what we all need&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/help-a-war-cry-not-a-cry-of-desperation&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Help: a war cry, not a cry of desperation&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/administrators-leaders-not-paper-pushers&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Administrators: leaders, not paper pushers&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/node/44083/edit&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Speaking in tongues: not crazy, just different&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/interpreting-well-everything&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Interpreting, (well) everything&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/the-higher-gifts-an-owners-manual&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;The higher gifts: an owner&#039;s manual&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/why-pastors-never-meet-expectations&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Why pastors never meet expectations&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/looney-tunes-and-the-church&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Looney tunes and the church&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/purpose-its-confusing&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Purpose: it&#039;s confusing&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/font&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/be-a-man&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;quot;Be a man&amp;quot;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/growing-pains-dont-be-like-mike&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Growing pains: don&#039;t be like Mike&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/i-don%E2%80%99t-want-you-to-be-uninformed&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;I don&#039;t want you to be uninformed&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/spiritual-gifts-a-definition&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Spiritual gifts: a definition&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/node/49014/edit&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Onward towards a better way&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
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 <description>&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;Worry and anxiety is a driving force in
our thought patterns and consequently our spirituality. We’re so concerned with
deciphering right from wrong that fear becomes our ally rather than the Spirit,
and fear is really the enemy.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;I think it’s
for these reasons that God’s very mysterious work is often sidelined. Take any
round of prayers at a church and you can see this. We all want others to pray
about medical conditions, but few stand up and say, “Let me pray over you and
ask God to take this away.” I say this as one who is guilty of not responding
correctly. Likewise, we present medical problems as something to be prayed
about, but rarely have the kind of honesty that even an Alcoholic’s Anonymous
group would have: “I’m John and I’m a sinner. This [you name it] happened
recently and has made me tempted to [you name it].” Or, “I gave into [you name
it] sin recently, and need prayer so that I can overcome it.”&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;I’m not
suggesting a 12-step based Christianity. Instead, I’m suggesting the kind of
honesty that empowers us to utilize the spiritual gifts we each have been
given, so that we can help one another. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;strong style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;Medical
problems are generally easy to talk about, because no one blames sin for those,
but when it comes to spiritual struggles that are equally (and at times much
more) detrimental, we’re silent.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt; We will name the sin in our communities,
but rarely admit to it. The shame is too much. Yet, the freedom of Christ
suggests that an admittance, and cry out for prayer, is precisely what we
need—grace not only permits this but promotes it. Honesty really is the best
policy.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;We’re meant for a purpose: to help one
another. But we’re meant to do that in unique ways. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;Paul’s description of how God works in
our communities, using gifts, subtly explains why the problems I’ve described
here exist.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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	&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;Now there are
	varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;and
	&lt;em&gt;there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; and there are varieties of
	activities, but it is the same God&lt;/em&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;who empowers them all in everyone. To
	each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good (1
	Corinthians 12:4–7 ESV).&lt;/span&gt;
	&lt;/font&gt;
	&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;First, there are gifts.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt; And there is no reason to be concerned
about how they will be used, or who will get what gifts, because they will be
unified under the banner of God’s Spirit. &lt;strong&gt;Then,
there are different ways in which people serve.&lt;/strong&gt; Here, Paul is likely
alluding to the acts of service required for ministries to function. He tells
us that these are empowered by the same “ruler” or “Yahweh” (the Greek word for
Lord, &lt;em&gt;Kurios&lt;/em&gt;, here either means the
divine name, Yahweh, or simply “ruler” or “master”). Paul is referring to
Jesus, whom he often calls by this title. God’s service is empowered by the one
that saved us.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;Paul then references various activities&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;, which he tells us come from the same
God—the source of the empowerment we seek. In this description of the trinity’s
work, Paul explains that God is at work among us through all three of His
persons in three different, but very similar, ways. And spiritual gifts seem to
be the mode of operation for all three acts. That idea presents something
beautiful: &lt;strong&gt;God’s Spirit operates within
us, using us, for His purposes of bringing unity and love to the world. &lt;/strong&gt;It’s
us, who don’t deserve an opportunity, that have a chance to do His work.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;It’s possible
that by using the terms “services” and “activities” Paul is classifying various
types of gifts, and perhaps even using “activities” as a word to distinguish church
offices, apart from spiritual gifts alone and spiritual services (perhaps a
classification or type of gifts). This case could be made based on Paul’s usage
of the word “activities” to later refer to something that is distinctly a
spiritual office (according to the syntax of 1 Corinthians 12:27–28), being
miracles. However, this seems unlikely: If Paul is distinguishing between
spiritual offices, services, and merely gifts, he likely would have been
clearer in his syntax, like he is in 1 Corinthians 12:27–28. There, he uses
“first … second … third … then …” to list spiritual offices, before turning to
“then gifts …” to offer a list of spiritual gifts. Here, in 1 Corinthians
12:4–7, it appears that Paul isn’t making distinctions between the types of
things God offers people, but instead using synonyms for the same kinds of
things. After all, spiritual offices require spiritual gifts. Furthermore, if
Paul distinguished any further between types, he may have just helped the cause
he was arguing against: disunity due to a belief that speaking in tongues, or
practicing other gifts, makes someone more spiritual than others.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;If it’s the
case that Paul is using synonyms, then there is another lesson here for us: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;strong style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;Spiritual gifts are first gifts—given by
God—and are then services we perform for others and activities we do.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt; This
makes sense in light of the other defining features Paul uses when discussing gifts,
like that they are meant for unity and showing love, for the sake of spiritual
growth.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;Yet, spiritual
gifts—even though they have such a great purpose—are often set aside, either because
post-enlightenment logic convinces us that they’re not real, or we’re afraid of
the possibility that promoting them will allow for a rapid disunity of our
churches. (This demotion of spiritual gifts is very subtle, basically to the
point of quiet abandonment.) The concern is that spiritual gifts will be abused
to hurt others and perhaps even dispose good leadership. But the truth of the matter
is that they’re probably already at work in our communities and that we’re just
not acknowledging them. And if our leaders are really those chosen by God,
they’re probably holding spiritual offices without calling them that, and God
is waiting to use those offices in unexpected ways, when our hearts are open to
Him doing so.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;God is no
respecter of persons, as the saying goes. And when we let the Spirit work among
us, it will do things we may not like, but it’s for the good of God’s work in
our communities. This may even mean that leadership is disposed. As someone in
church leadership, I’m ready to take that risk, because the price of not
following God’s will in this matter is far more detrimental. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;strong style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;Not following God’s will, and the subtle
abandonment of His plan and purposes, is the true risk; yet, somehow this is
often overlooked.&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;Paul tells us that if it’s really the
Spirit working, we will see the same Lord and God at work among the
gifts—meaning, God’s vision will be clear. This clarity not only could be, but
will be, the best thing that ever happened to our church communities.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;How
can you enable the work of the Spirit in your community? How is it currently
being hindered and how can you kindly and humbly change that?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&amp;nbsp;
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&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong style=&quot;color: #444444&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://eepurl.com/c4ZqA&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong style=&quot;color: #444444&quot;&gt;Want to read the entire series? Here is a round-up:&lt;/strong&gt;
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&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/spiritual-gifts-or-curses&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Spiritual gifts or curses?&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/we-dont-compare-ourselves-to-elijah-but-should&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;We don’t compare ourselves to Elijah but should&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/treating-pastors-like-restaurant-managers&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Treating pastors like restaurant managers&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/jesus-in-a-cashmere-sweater&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Jesus in a cashmere sweater&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/banishing-sunday-school-teachers&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Banishing Sunday school teachers&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/spiritual-gridlock-the-end-of-miracles&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Spiritual gridlock: the end of miracles?&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/the-myth-of-the-apolitical-church&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;The myth of the apolitical church&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/healing-its-what-we-all-need&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Healing: it&#039;s what we all need&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/help-a-war-cry-not-a-cry-of-desperation&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Help: a war cry, not a cry of desperation&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/administrators-leaders-not-paper-pushers&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Administrators: leaders, not paper pushers&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/node/44083/edit&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Speaking in tongues: not crazy, just different&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/interpreting-well-everything&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Interpreting, (well) everything&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/the-higher-gifts-an-owners-manual&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;The higher gifts: an owner&#039;s manual&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/why-pastors-never-meet-expectations&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Why pastors never meet expectations&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/looney-tunes-and-the-church&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Looney tunes and the church&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/purpose-its-confusing&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Purpose: it&#039;s confusing&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/font&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/be-a-man&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;quot;Be a man&amp;quot;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/growing-pains-dont-be-like-mike&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Growing pains: don&#039;t be like Mike&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/i-don%E2%80%99t-want-you-to-be-uninformed&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;I don&#039;t want you to be uninformed&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/spiritual-gifts-a-definition&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Spiritual gifts: a definition&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;
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 <title>Spiritual Gifts: A Definition</title>
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 <description>&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;It’s virtually impossible to distinguish
between something a believer in Jesus is good at and a spiritual gift. At first
this is frustrating, but doesn’t it make sense? If God is one—and we are one
with Him through accepting Jesus and His Spirit—why would He not use our
“talents” as “gifts”? When you frame the situation as God being the source of
all, this pragmatic approach becomes holistic, and the search for gifts in our
communities suddenly becomes simple.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;Gifts don’t always entail the shockingly
miraculous, although that’s certainly part of the picture.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt; The talent you may take for granted is
every bit as essential to your church community as the miracle working power of
someone else. There is a hierarchy of church offices, for the sake of order,
but this doesn’t make anyone more valuable to God’s work than someone else. The
apostle is not greater than the prophet, and the prophet is not greater than
the administrator. Those with the gift of tongues are no better than the interpreters
of them; and the interpreters of tongues are not more valuable than the “shepherds,”
or those with the gift of “helps.” Paul makes this point in his first letter to
the Corinthians:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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	&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;Now there are varieties of gifts, but the
	same Spirit&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;; and there
	are varieties of service, but the same Lord; and there are varieties of
	activities, &lt;em&gt;but it is the same God who
	empowers them all in everyone&lt;/em&gt;. &lt;em&gt;To
	each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good&lt;/em&gt; (1
	Corinthians 12:4–7 ESV).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;
	&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;There is diversity among the gifts, but
they all come from God’s Holy Spirit. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;And
by nature of their source being the same, none are better than others. And the
kicker: all are required, as Paul tells us in Ephesians 4 and throughout 1
Corinthians 11–13. All are not just needed—they’re necessary.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;But what does Paul mean by “gift”?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt; His usage of the word elsewhere tells us.
He says to Timothy: &lt;strong&gt;“Do not neglect the &lt;em&gt;gift&lt;/em&gt; you have&lt;/strong&gt;, which was given you &lt;em&gt;by prophecy&lt;/em&gt; when the &lt;em&gt;council of elders&lt;/em&gt; &lt;em&gt;laid their hands&lt;/em&gt; on you” (1 Timothy 4:14 ESV). Timothy’s gift was
identified by the elders (people in church offices) via the office of prophecy.
They did so by acting in a faithful way: laying their hands on him to pray.
Note that it’s not as if this just came out of nowhere: they were seeking God’s
guidance. This means that a definition of spiritual gifts must include the idea
that God is sought, and that He answers through the use of other spiritual offices. This very well could mean direct revelation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;Paul later
tells Timothy in another letter: “For this reason I remind you to &lt;/span&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;fan into flame the gift&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;of God&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;, which is in you through the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;laying on of my hands&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;” (2 Timothy 1:6 ESV).
This further suggests that spiritual gifts often come upon people through
prayer, and consequently a type of spiritual anointing. It also suggests that a
definition of spiritual gifts must include an acknowledgment that they come
from God and that they must continually be rekindled, like a fire needs to be.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;Peter also
uses the term, when he says, “As &lt;/span&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;each&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;
has &lt;/span&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;received a gift&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;, use it to &lt;/span&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;serve&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt; one another, as &lt;/span&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;good stewards&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt; of God’s &lt;/span&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;varied grace&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;” (1 Peter 4:10 ESV). Peter tells
us that all believers receive spiritual gifts, and that they must be used for
helping others; also, they are given so that we can use them for God’s various
purposes, being His different ways of demonstrating His grace through us.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;For a definition of spiritual gifts, I offer: “Abilities given by God through the Holy Spirit to all
believers in Jesus—for the purpose of serving others so that the Church may
grow.” And I would add: “They are to be discerned by the individual and other
believers holding church offices through prayer, and are often anointed upon
someone by another believer via the power of the Holy Spirit; that person is
usually someone with the office of prophecy. Spiritual gifts are to
be regularly renewed and strengthened, as well as stewarded wisely, according
to the various ways God would have someone to utilize them. Their purpose is to
be used for the common good—unity and love—of the church and all people: to
manifest the salvation, restoration and renewal that Jesus alone brings through
His sacrificial death and continued work through the Holy Spirit. For this
reason, all spiritual gifts and offices are needed and required in gatherings
of believers in Jesus.”&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;What
do you think of this definition of spiritual gifts? Would you add anything to
it or take anything away?&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong style=&quot;color: #444444&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;1&quot;&gt;Join the movement. Be the first to know. &lt;a href=&quot;http://eepurl.com/c4ZqA&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Sign up for updates here.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;1&quot;&gt;&lt;strong style=&quot;color: #444444&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://eepurl.com/c4ZqA&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong style=&quot;color: #444444&quot;&gt;Want to read the entire series? Here is a round-up:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;color: #444444&quot; class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;font size=&quot;1&quot;&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/spiritual-gifts-or-curses&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Spiritual gifts or curses?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/we-dont-compare-ourselves-to-elijah-but-should&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;We don’t compare ourselves to Elijah but should&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/treating-pastors-like-restaurant-managers&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Treating pastors like restaurant managers&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/jesus-in-a-cashmere-sweater&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Jesus in a cashmere sweater&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/banishing-sunday-school-teachers&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Banishing Sunday school teachers&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/spiritual-gridlock-the-end-of-miracles&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Spiritual gridlock: the end of miracles?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/the-myth-of-the-apolitical-church&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;The myth of the apolitical church&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/healing-its-what-we-all-need&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Healing: it&#039;s what we all need&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/help-a-war-cry-not-a-cry-of-desperation&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Help: a war cry, not a cry of desperation&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/administrators-leaders-not-paper-pushers&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Administrators: leaders, not paper pushers&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/node/44083/edit&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Speaking in tongues: not crazy, just different&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/interpreting-well-everything&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Interpreting, (well) everything&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/the-higher-gifts-an-owners-manual&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;The higher gifts: an owner&#039;s manual&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/why-pastors-never-meet-expectations&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Why pastors never meet expectations&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/looney-tunes-and-the-church&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Looney tunes and the church&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/purpose-its-confusing&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Purpose: it&#039;s confusing&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/be-a-man&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&amp;quot;Be a man&amp;quot;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/growing-pains-dont-be-like-mike&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Growing pains: don&#039;t be like Mike&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/i-don%E2%80%99t-want-you-to-be-uninformed&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;I don&#039;t want you to be uninformed&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;
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 <category domain="http://www.conversantlife.com/taxonomy/term/4486">1 Corinthians 12</category>
 <category domain="http://www.conversantlife.com/taxonomy/term/528">Infinite in Everything</category>
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 <category domain="http://www.conversantlife.com/taxonomy/term/3704">spiritual offices</category>
 <pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:16:00 -0800</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>John Barry</dc:creator>
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 <title>I Don’t Want You to Be Uninformed</title>
 <link>http://www.conversantlife.com/the-church/i-don%E2%80%99t-want-you-to-be-uninformed</link>
 <description>&lt;p&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;We provide for the media empire: Most of
us are obsessed with information. In a way, the love of media represents our
endless search to find meaning. The news gives us something to obsess over,
talk about, and pretend that we can do something about. We look to fill the gap
in our beings with information, when only God can fulfill it. In our search to
be informed, we’re uninformed. This disconnect is rooted in not just our lack
of understanding of self, but also the Spirit. Paul makes a similar point when
discussing spiritual gifts.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote style=&quot;margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 40px; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-image: initial; border-style: none; padding: 0px&quot;&gt;
	&lt;p&gt;
	&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;Now concerning
	spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be uninformed. You know that
	when you were pagans you were led astray to mute idols, however you were led. Therefore
	I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says
	“Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy
	Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:1–3 ESV).&lt;/span&gt;
	&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong style=&quot;font-size: small&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;It is by the Holy Spirit’s work that we
can declare “Jesus is Lord.” This point is so undersold that I hadn’t thought
about it for years until rereading this passage about a week ago.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt; It’s often remarked in Christian
circles, “Jesus does the saving” or “God does the work,” but how often do we
acknowledge that the very confession that “Jesus is Lord” requires the Holy
Spirit?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;The Spirit is usually only welcomed to
the after party &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;of the
confessing: “He will come,” we say. But in a true confession, He is already
there.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;When Paul says
that “Jesus is Lord,” he may mean two things simultaneously. If he is using the
Greek word &lt;/span&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;Kurios&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;, “Lord,” like the
ancient Greek translation of the Old Testament (the Septuagint), then he means
“Jesus is Yahweh (God’s holy name).” He is declaring that Jesus is the God of
Israel. If Paul is using &lt;/span&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;kurios&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt; as “master”
or “ruler” (another way the Greek word is used), then he is declaring that
“Jesus is master” and thus the one that people owe allegiance to. It seems
likely that Paul means both ideas, since the first presupposes the idea of the
second and the second would hint at the meaning of the first. But whatever the
precise meaning, it’s a powerful thought: The Holy Spirit is not &lt;/span&gt;&lt;em style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;only&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt; the reason for confessing Jesus as
ruler and/or God, but instead the Spirit is required.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;This is the
framework for how Paul understands spiritual gifts. He makes the point that the
Corinthian believers were at one point led by mute idols (astray), and will now
be led by the Spirit through the works of spiritual gifts. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;strong style=&quot;font-size: small; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;Prior to coming to Christ they were led, but they will now be led the
right way.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small; font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt; We’re all curious what the “right” way looks like; this is
especially the case when it comes to discerning true spiritual gifts. Paul
discredits this notion: “no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says ‘Jesus
is accursed!’ ” That’s his defining factor: the thing he uses to make sense of
the real Spirit versus evil spirits. If someone opposes Jesus, they’re not from
God. It’s that simple.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Paul may have
said this to fight Jewish mystics or pagan priests since both performed signs
and wonders to prove their validity as God’s or the gods’ representatives. Paul’s
framework for spiritual gifts requires a confession that Jesus is Lord, and as
such, a submission to His reign.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;It seems that we need similar guidance.
But our idols today are not mute but vocal. They speak loudly through the boxes
in our living rooms. We stare at them in amazement, believing that somehow the
information provided will satisfy. Paul cries out against this; he claims the
work of the Spirit, in spiritual gifts, as a better way. He declares that the
Spirit’s work will be clearly defined—and defy the work of evil.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Times New Roman&#039;&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;What
idols do you need to tear down? And what walls have you built against the
Spirit’s authentic work in you?&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;1&quot;&gt;&lt;strong style=&quot;color: #444444&quot;&gt;Join the movement. Be the first to know. &lt;a href=&quot;http://eepurl.com/c4ZqA&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Sign up for updates here.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;1&quot;&gt;&lt;strong style=&quot;color: #444444&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://eepurl.com/c4ZqA&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong style=&quot;color: #444444&quot;&gt;Want to read the entire series? Here is a round-up:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;color: #444444&quot; class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;font size=&quot;1&quot;&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/spiritual-gifts-or-curses&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Spiritual gifts or curses?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/we-dont-compare-ourselves-to-elijah-but-should&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;We don’t compare ourselves to Elijah but should&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/treating-pastors-like-restaurant-managers&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Treating pastors like restaurant managers&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/jesus-in-a-cashmere-sweater&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Jesus in a cashmere sweater&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/banishing-sunday-school-teachers&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Banishing Sunday school teachers&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/spiritual-gridlock-the-end-of-miracles&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Spiritual gridlock: the end of miracles?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/the-myth-of-the-apolitical-church&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;The myth of the apolitical church&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/healing-its-what-we-all-need&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Healing: it&#039;s what we all need&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/help-a-war-cry-not-a-cry-of-desperation&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Help: a war cry, not a cry of desperation&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/administrators-leaders-not-paper-pushers&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Administrators: leaders, not paper pushers&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/node/44083/edit&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Speaking in tongues: not crazy, just different&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/interpreting-well-everything&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Interpreting, (well) everything&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/the-higher-gifts-an-owners-manual&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;The higher gifts: an owner&#039;s manual&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/why-pastors-never-meet-expectations&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Why pastors never meet expectations&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/looney-tunes-and-the-church&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Looney tunes and the church&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/purpose-its-confusing&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Purpose: it&#039;s confusing&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/be-a-man&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&amp;quot;Be a man&amp;quot;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/growing-pains-dont-be-like-mike&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Growing pains: don&#039;t be like Mike&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;
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 <category domain="http://www.conversantlife.com/taxonomy/term/4486">1 Corinthians 12</category>
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 <category domain="http://www.conversantlife.com/taxonomy/term/3704">spiritual offices</category>
 <pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:14:19 -0800</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>John Barry</dc:creator>
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 <title>Debating Driscoll - Some Thoughts</title>
 <link>http://www.conversantlife.com/the-church/debating-driscoll-some-thoughts</link>
 <description>&lt;p&gt;
You don’t have to be interested in thinking about or debating Mark 
Driscoll to find yourself pulled into the wave of his most recent 
debacle. I am not interested in talking about the situation itself, or 
even about Driscoll himself, but I want to make some notes about how 
people react to him. I find it interesting that, for the most part, both
sides that debate Driscoll basically say the same thing. The issues 
debated are not typically over justifying his actions, most people I see
interacting with him, on both sides, agree that he “goes too far,” and 
“lacks wisdom in what he say.” The difference, I propose, has to do with
how we understand what a pastor is.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
There is a growing belief in the evangelical church that “good” 
preaching covers a multitude of sins. This is simple another way of 
saying that the ends justify the means. The question we need to ask, I 
think, is whether or not it is fitting for a pastor to lack humilty, 
lack wisdom, and clearly project so many of his own psychological issues
onto God’s work. Again, it seems to me that both sides agree to these 
things, and both think they are at least regretable. The main 
difference, as far as I can tell, has to do with how we view those 
things in light of Driscoll’s position as a pastor. One side, the 
pro-Driscoll side, claims that everything else he does out-weighs these 
particular sins, or else they invoke something like: “Boys will be 
boys.” The other side, believes that Scripture is clear about what a 
pastor is like, and because he breaks these Scriptural mandates so 
freely, frequently, and publically, that he should undergo, minimally, 
church discipline.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
At the heart of the issue is spiritual formation, and whether pastors
are called to humility, grace, and a higher level of scrutiny, or if 
these things are more like desires that will never actually be 
fulfilled.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
What are your thoughts? 
&lt;/p&gt;
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 <category domain="http://www.conversantlife.com/taxonomy/term/34">The Church</category>
 <pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 08:47:10 -0800</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Kyle Strobel</dc:creator>
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 <title>Growing Pains: Don&#039;t Be Like Mike</title>
 <link>http://www.conversantlife.com/the-church/growing-pains-dont-be-like-mike</link>
 <description>&lt;!--[endif]----&gt;
&lt;!--StartFragment--&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;It seems that in
small churches we devote an extraordinary amount of energy to church growth—to
the point that a few weeks of attendance being down can cause the next
leadership meeting to be almost entirely about that. Although we know it’s
fundamentally wrong, the media publicity of large communities makes us feel
like they’ve somehow won, and prompts us small communities to try to be like
them. Capitalism doesn’t help since it measures success by numbers. In focusing
so much of our energy on numbers we small communities &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;(albeit unintentionally) &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;turn away from spiritual growth. Yet, most megachurch pastors I know are trying
to move their churches towards spiritual growth. The irony is astounding: The
small church is trying to be big, while the big church is trying to disciple
like its small. Maybe we in the small churches should pick up on the lesson.&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;
This problem, like so many others, is also rooted in the
lack of spiritual offices and the lack of focus on spiritual gifts in our
communities.
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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	&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers, to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ, so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes. &lt;em&gt;Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ, from whom the whole body, joined and held together by every joint with which it is equipped, when each part is working properly, makes the body grow so that it builds itself up in love&lt;/em&gt; (Ephesians 4:11–16 ESV). 
	&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Growth was meant to
look like people getting closer to Jesus, not like numbers.&lt;/strong&gt; There’s nothing
wrong with growth in numbers: Jesus told His disciples to preach the gospel to
anyone willing to listen and to make disciples of all nations. There’s
something wrong with a focus on numbers coming on Sunday. Our numbers should be
about people choosing Jesus. That’s success. And the only way to that success
is helping those in our communities grow spirituality.
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;
For this reason, Paul tells those with spiritual offices to
speak “the truth in love.” And notice how he phrases the outcome: “grow up in
every way &lt;em&gt;into&lt;/em&gt; him who is the head
[of the body, being all believers], &lt;em&gt;into&lt;/em&gt;
Christ.” He then says why: “so that it [being the believers, the body] grows so
that it builds itself up in love.” &lt;strong&gt;It’s
again, like in 1 Corinthians where Paul mentions spiritual offices and gifts, about
love. The way to growth is by equipping believers, so that they can work
together properly, for the purpose of showing the great love Christ has shown
us.&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;
How often do we make it about getting someone to a service
instead? And how sad is that, when the purpose is getting someone into a
relationship—with the God who made them? Spiritual offices are about leading
others to hear this call and react to it.
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The lesson for the
small church: Don’t be like Mike—don’t even be like you—be who Jesus wants you
to be. The lesson for the big church: discipleship will continue to be the way
forward.&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;How can you help those in spiritual offices in your community lead people
towards growth in their relationships with Jesus? If you’re in a spiritual
office, how are you currently doing this work?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong style=&quot;color: #444444&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #444444&quot; class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://eepurl.com/c4ZqA&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #444444&quot; class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Want to read the entire series? Here is a round-up:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;color: #444444&quot; class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/spiritual-gifts-or-curses&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Spiritual gifts or curses?&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/we-dont-compare-ourselves-to-elijah-but-should&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;We don’t compare ourselves to Elijah but should&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/treating-pastors-like-restaurant-managers&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Treating pastors like restaurant managers&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/jesus-in-a-cashmere-sweater&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Jesus in a cashmere sweater&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/banishing-sunday-school-teachers&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Banishing Sunday school teachers&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/spiritual-gridlock-the-end-of-miracles&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Spiritual gridlock: the end of miracles?&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/the-myth-of-the-apolitical-church&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;The myth of the apolitical church&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/healing-its-what-we-all-need&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Healing: it&#039;s what we all need&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/help-a-war-cry-not-a-cry-of-desperation&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Help: a war cry, not a cry of desperation&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/administrators-leaders-not-paper-pushers&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Administrators: leaders, not paper pushers&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/node/44083/edit&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Speaking in tongues: not crazy, just different&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/interpreting-well-everything&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Interpreting, (well) everything&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/the-higher-gifts-an-owners-manual&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;The higher gifts: an owner&#039;s manual&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/why-pastors-never-meet-expectations&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Why pastors never meet expectations&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/looney-tunes-and-the-church&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Looney tunes and the church&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/purpose-its-confusing&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Purpose: it&#039;s confusing&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/font&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/be-a-man&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;quot;Be a man&amp;quot;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;
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 <category domain="http://www.conversantlife.com/taxonomy/term/34">The Church</category>
 <category domain="http://www.conversantlife.com/taxonomy/term/4319">ephesians 4</category>
 <category domain="http://www.conversantlife.com/taxonomy/term/528">Infinite in Everything</category>
 <category domain="http://www.conversantlife.com/taxonomy/term/3153">spiritual gifts</category>
 <category domain="http://www.conversantlife.com/taxonomy/term/3704">spiritual offices</category>
 <pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:58:30 -0800</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>John Barry</dc:creator>
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 <title>&quot;Be a Man&quot;</title>
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 <description>&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;“I’ll be leading the children’s ministry this evening.”
These magic words brought on all ancient motherly instincts in our church: must rescue the children from the young man with no kids. (Add pauses in between
words for drama.) Somehow &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt; the mothers in our small church, for
the first time, joined their children rather than stayed for the sermon. This
is understandable: I know little to nothing about children. (I wouldn’t want me
looking after my own kids, if I had them.) The kids would have had fun, but I’m sure it
would come at the high cost of them being full of sugar and gold fish
crackers, becoming slightly less respectful, and learning absolutely
nothing at all in the process. So I intentionally refrain from children’s
ministry, focusing on my primary gifts. I consider it one of the ways I bless
the parents of our church.
&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Since I clearly don’t have the gift of teaching kids, I
tremendously respect people that do. But it seems that most people with that
gifting don’t recognize what a wonderful gift it is. This reminds me of the
terrible impression that some spiritual gifts are better than others, or that
some spiritual offices are more desirable or special. Yet, Paul tells us that
all spiritual offices are meant “to equip the saints [being, believers] for the
work of ministry [all work for Jesus], for building up the body [the church,
being all believers together] of Christ” (Eph 4:17). (He includes “teachers” in
the group of people who do this work.) Paul then goes onto detail what this
means—showing us precisely what it looks like and by apposition, the dangers of
not having spiritual offices present in our churches. Paul explains how we grow
up in our spirituality.
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote style=&quot;margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 40px; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-image: initial; border-style: none; padding: 0px&quot;&gt;
	&lt;p&gt;
	&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background-color: #f5f5f5&quot;&gt;And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers, to &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background-color: #f5f5f5&quot;&gt;equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background-color: #f5f5f5&quot;&gt;, &lt;em&gt;until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ, so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes&lt;/em&gt;. Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ, from whom the whole body, joined and held together by every joint with which it is equipped, when each part is working properly, makes the body grow so that it builds itself up in love (Ephesians 4:11–16 ESV).&lt;/span&gt; 
	&lt;/font&gt;
	&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Spiritual offices are
about unity.&lt;/strong&gt; Paul tells us that those with spiritual offices—apostles,
prophets, evangelists, shepherds, and teachers (and some others mentioned in 1
Corinthians 12)—are called to help others “attain to the unity of the faith
[being Christianity].” We often forget how important unity is, until we don’t
have it. When it’s present, it’s seamless. It’s like a well-edited book, a
great percussionist, or elegant design; you don’t notice any of these until
they’re missing.
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;If your church leadership isn’t unified around God’s vision
for your community, you already know it. And fundamentally, this means that the
problem is either them or the exclusion of other leadership—people with other
spiritual offices—who aren’t present: whether that’s intentional or a mistake
depends on the community. But if it’s out of ignorance, that’s as much of a
problem as intentional exclusion. Those who do nothing at all are just as
guilty as those who are malicious.
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Knowledge isn’t for
babies: “Be a man.”&lt;/strong&gt; Paul says that those in church offices are meant to
lead the movement towards a wider knowledge base about the Son of God. By
“fullness of Christ,” he means that those in church leadership are called to
help others attain &lt;em&gt;whole&lt;/em&gt;
relationships with Jesus, where they lean on Him for understanding, growth, and
direction. Church leadership is about the person of Christ and should never be
about anything else. If those in our churches aren’t growing up in spiritual
maturity, and if we aren’t as well, then we’re all wasting time, as well as our
God-given gifts. If this isn’t the case in our communities, then the leadership
of them must be challenged.
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;If pushed, push back.
&lt;/strong&gt;This is a lesson that should not be taught to kids, but is something all of
us adults get a little confused about. Evil is evil. And crafty people can do
evil things—deceiving us without us knowing. I recently had someone tell me
that before he became a Christian he would intentionally use his intelligence
to manipulate people, usually successfully, including Christians. He said that
if God hadn’t intervened in his life that he would have gone on inflicting
damage on others, probably without them even realizing it. Now, few are evil
geniuses, but when evil approaches, it must be pushed back. Unfortunately, I’ve
been in church communities where the church’s leadership did not play an active
role in this, and semi- if not fully shunned those who did. If pushed by evil or the confusion of bad doctrine,
we must push back.
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Growing up in
Christianity is difficult. It requires recognizing active leadership roles we
may not feel ready to take on, and saying no to others because we know we’re
not gifted in them. But we must, if there is hope for our communities.&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;How can you take an active role in transforming your church community?&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong style=&quot;color: #444444&quot;&gt;Join the movement. Be the first to know. &lt;a href=&quot;http://eepurl.com/c4ZqA&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Sign up for updates here.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #444444&quot; class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://eepurl.com/c4ZqA&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #444444&quot; class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Want to read the entire series? Here is a round-up:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;color: #444444&quot; class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/spiritual-gifts-or-curses&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Spiritual gifts or curses?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/we-dont-compare-ourselves-to-elijah-but-should&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;We don’t compare ourselves to Elijah but should&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/treating-pastors-like-restaurant-managers&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Treating pastors like restaurant managers&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/jesus-in-a-cashmere-sweater&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Jesus in a cashmere sweater&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/banishing-sunday-school-teachers&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Banishing Sunday school teachers&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/spiritual-gridlock-the-end-of-miracles&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Spiritual gridlock: the end of miracles?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/the-myth-of-the-apolitical-church&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;The myth of the apolitical church&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/healing-its-what-we-all-need&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Healing: it&#039;s what we all need&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/help-a-war-cry-not-a-cry-of-desperation&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Help: a war cry, not a cry of desperation&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/administrators-leaders-not-paper-pushers&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Administrators: leaders, not paper pushers&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/node/44083/edit&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Speaking in tongues: not crazy, just different&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/interpreting-well-everything&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Interpreting, (well) everything&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/the-higher-gifts-an-owners-manual&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;The higher gifts: an owner&#039;s manual&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/why-pastors-never-meet-expectations&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Why pastors never meet expectations&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/looney-tunes-and-the-church&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Looney tunes and the church&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/purpose-its-confusing&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Purpose: it&#039;s confusing&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;
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 <category domain="http://www.conversantlife.com/taxonomy/term/4319">ephesians 4</category>
 <category domain="http://www.conversantlife.com/taxonomy/term/528">Infinite in Everything</category>
 <category domain="http://www.conversantlife.com/taxonomy/term/3153">spiritual gifts</category>
 <category domain="http://www.conversantlife.com/taxonomy/term/3704">spiritual offices</category>
 <pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 19:30:03 -0800</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>John Barry</dc:creator>
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 <title>Purpose: It&#039;s Confusing</title>
 <link>http://www.conversantlife.com/the-church/purpose-its-confusing</link>
 <description>&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Purpose is a very confusing thing. We throw around the word
like it’s simple—like everyone understands it—but similar to political words
like “change” and marketing words like “believe,” the object of the word is
lost in the sentiments. Purpose must be accompanied by direction. It must be
directed at not just something, but someone—God. And this is precisely where
the use of spiritual gifts becomes skewed.&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;blockquote style=&quot;margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 40px; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-image: initial; border-style: none; padding: 0px&quot;&gt;
	&lt;p class=&quot;p2&quot;&gt;
	&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers, to &lt;em&gt;equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ&lt;/em&gt;, until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ, so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes. Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ, from whom the whole body, joined and held together by every joint with which it is equipped, when each part is working properly, makes the body grow so that it builds itself up in love (Ephesians 4:11–16 ESV).
	&lt;/font&gt;
	&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;There is a reason why people dislike the notion that God can
lead someone directly (speaking to them) and the idea that God has called
people to very particular tasks, using gifts that He chose to give them: it’s
something that not only can’t be controlled but can get out of control. We’ve
all heard the idea that if the murderer says “God told me to do it,” than the
logic behind God still speaking is fraught with problems. This leads to the
conclusion that God stopped speaking after the canonized Bible came to be.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Yet, there are major issues with this logic: &lt;strong&gt;If God stopped
speaking, why did Jesus spend so long telling us how to receive the Holy
Spirit, interpret His work in the world, and use spiritual gifts to do things
like healing?&lt;/strong&gt; And, if God stopped using spiritual gifts, why is so much of the
New Testament full of stories of God doing miraculous things among men and
women who are empowered by Him? Are those merely for the history books? And if
God stopped speaking after the canon came to be, then history tells us that for
Protestants (all non-Catholic and non-Orthodox Christians), then God spoke
right up to the time of Martin Luther, but he and those working with him were
the last ones: because Martin Luther removed the Apocrypha. And if spiritual
gifts and the workings of the “spirits” had stopped by the time of Martin
Luther, than apparently he was crazy and really shouldn’t have been deciding
our canon anyways, because he certainly believed that Satan was after him and
that the Spirit led him and empowered him to do things that are nothing short
of miracles. And for Catholics and Orthodox Christians, that means that God
didn’t stop speaking until around the fourth century AD, and according to some
canon historians, the sixth century AD.
&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;So on the grounds of logic alone, the Spirit is still
working, God is still speaking, and spiritual gifts and offices are still
functioning. &lt;/strong&gt;If that’s the case, then the way we use spiritual gifts is
actually the problem. They need purpose; a purpose that must be directed
towards God and His work.
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&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Paul, in Ephesians, articulates the purpose of spiritual
offices clearly: “to equip the saints [being the “holy ones” or believers] for
the work of ministry, for the building of the body [being the believers as one
group, together] of Christ” (Eph 4:12). It’s all about helping other believers.
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&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;And spiritual gifts, throughout 1 Corinthians 12–13 are cast
in light of “love”—the true purpose of all things that are God’s.
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&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;In the next few posts, we will explore what people who hold
spiritual offices are meant to do with them, and make this purpose more
concrete. We will also examine what happens when spiritual offices aren’t
present.
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&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Are those with spiritual offices in your community serving
this way and for this purpose? If not, in what ways can you humbly present this
idea to them? &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;
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&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #444444&quot; class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://eepurl.com/c4ZqA&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #444444&quot; class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Want to read the entire series? Here is a round-up:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/spiritual-gifts-or-curses&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Spiritual gifts or curses?&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/we-dont-compare-ourselves-to-elijah-but-should&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;We don’t compare ourselves to Elijah but should&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/treating-pastors-like-restaurant-managers&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Treating pastors like restaurant managers&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/jesus-in-a-cashmere-sweater&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Jesus in a cashmere sweater&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/banishing-sunday-school-teachers&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Banishing Sunday school teachers&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/spiritual-gridlock-the-end-of-miracles&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Spiritual gridlock: the end of miracles?&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/the-myth-of-the-apolitical-church&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;The myth of the apolitical church&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/healing-its-what-we-all-need&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Healing: it&#039;s what we all need&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/help-a-war-cry-not-a-cry-of-desperation&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Help: a war cry, not a cry of desperation&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/administrators-leaders-not-paper-pushers&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Administrators: leaders, not paper pushers&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/node/44083/edit&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Speaking in tongues: not crazy, just different&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/theology/interpreting-well-everything&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Interpreting, (well) everything&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/the-higher-gifts-an-owners-manual&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;The higher gifts: an owner&#039;s manual&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/why-pastors-never-meet-expectations&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Why pastors never meet expectations&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/the-church/looney-tunes-and-the-church&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Looney tunes and the church&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
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