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“The thing that will destroy the
Evangelical Church in the next 25 years, and it will, is the decision
to be comfortable with our consumerist society. We are raising our
children to be consumers, not people who are concerned about the will
of God in this world.” – Dr. Tony Campolo from &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://lordsaveusthemovie.com/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Lord, Save Us From Your Followers&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;
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Have you checked out &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.adventconspiracy.org/&quot;&gt;Advent Conspiracy&lt;/a&gt;, an international movement restoring the scandal of Christmas by substituting compassion for consumption? &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.adventconspiracy.org/&quot;&gt;http://www.adventconspiracy.org&lt;/a&gt;.
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 <pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:55:38 -0800</pubDate>
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 <title>Quit Your PR Obsession, Christians</title>
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Last night I attended a screening of Dan Merchant’s new Michael Moore-esque documentary, &lt;a href=&quot;http://lordsaveusthemovie.com/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Lord Save Us From Your Followers&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. 
It’s a film about how Christians have a huge PR problem and how “the
culture wars” are exactly the opposite of what Christians should be
battling in this world. The real war concerns things like poverty,
injustice, and loving the unlovable, suggests Merchant. If Christians
just loved better, befriended drag queens, and washed homeless people’s
feet, our image crisis would go away.
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&lt;p&gt;
But would it gain any new converts? That is the question (one of the questions) I kept asking myself.
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&lt;p&gt;
After the film, there was a discussion involving four participants:
Merchant, Everett Piper (President of Oklahoma Wesleyan University),
Bill Lobdell (author of &lt;em&gt;Losing My Religion: How I Lost My Faith Reporting on Religion in America and Found Unexpected Peace&lt;/em&gt;) and Michael Levine (CEO of Levine Communications and proudly secular).
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Levine was the most vocal in the discussion, cynically asking the
audience from the outset to “raise your hand high if you’re a
Christian… Now raise your hand high if you think I am going to hell
because I’m an atheist.” He then explained that a conversation is
completely impossible when one of the parties believes in their heart
that the other is hell-bound.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
As unfair as that is, Levine did make a few interesting points. “Why
would I believe in a religion or a God whose followers have no
noticeable differences in their lifestyle?” asked Levine, making the
point that he has a lot of close Christian friends but none of them
live substantially better, more peaceful, more loving lives. And then
he used this illustration:
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“Imagine there is a gym and you have two groups. One group goes to
the gym every day and one group never steps foot in the gym. But the
group that goes to the gym is just as fat as the group that stays home.
So what does that say about the gym? Why would I want to believe in
that gym?”
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Point well taken. It is very problematic that so many “Christians” look and act the exact same as anyone else.
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&lt;p&gt;
But I think Piper made a good point in response when he said that
one shouldn’t look first to Christians but rather to Christ in order to
evaluate the appeal of the Gospel. He said something like, “Imagine you
want to know what a fish is like. You go to a beach and what you see
are a lot of dead, smelly, decaying fish. Should you then surmise from
this that ALL fish are like this, or that this is how the “ideal” fish
should be? Of course not! It’s dishonest to judge the truth of
something by looking at the ways in which broken humans have distorted
it.”
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Yes, there are broken, corrupt, annoyingly off-base representations
of Christianity. We are all very aware of that. But that doesn’t change
the truth of the God Christians worship. I’m so tired of Christians
falling all over themselves with apologies for the oppressive scourge
that Christianity supposedly is. Sure, we should acknowledge and own up
to the bad things we’ve done. The Crusades and the Inquisition DID
happen. All sorts of other sordid things have been perpetrated by
Christians throughout history. Guilty! We humans are broken, flawed,
selfish, confused people who make mistakes. Even Christians.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
But it’s not about us!
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
We won’t win ANY followers to Christ by focusing our case primarily
around how great or loving or happy Christians are. We must focus our
case around Christ himself; The gospel; What God has done, is doing,
and will do for the world, regardless of how helpful or unhelpful we
Christians are along the way. God will do what he will do. He invites
us to participate in his work but none of it hinges on our abilities or
fortitude (thanks be to God!) outside the power of the Holy Spirit.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
We need to stop worrying so much about having a favorable image or
being liked! The success of God’s work in the world is not dependent on
how people in 2009 perceive Christians. If we believe God is sovereign
we need to have confidence that he can overcome all the loudmouth
bigots who go around saying idiotic things in the name of Christ (not
that we shouldn’t chastise and discipline those loudmouth bigots among
us).
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
We need to quit worrying about how the worst among us are ruining
our reputation and instead focus on living Christ-like lives in
accordance to scripture and God’s will. We need to worry about &lt;em&gt;our own&lt;/em&gt; transformation first and foremost. Are we new creations?
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
We should love others and ease the suffering in the world not
because it will be better for our PR, but because the Bible tells us to
and because the Spirit inside us spurs us to outward action. We should
exude charity and patience and peace in our dealings with others not
because it will win us admirers but because it is the Christian thing
to do.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
We need to be humble, yes, but not tepid. We should have confidence
in the God we serve, the gospel we believe, and the church that we are.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
In the first chapter of Ephesians, Paul describes the “immeasurable
greatness” (v. 19) of Christ and his “rule and authority and power and
dominion” (v. 21) over all creation, but then he adds that God gives
Christ—and Christ’s subsequent authority over all things—&lt;em&gt;to the church &lt;/em&gt;(v.
22), which is Christ’s body, “the fullness of him who fills all in all”
(v. 23). At Christ’s feet, the world cowers and all creation converges.
And as the church—as the body of Christ—we share in this unique,
cornerstone-of-creation destiny.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
In light of this reality, how could any Christian lack the
confidence to be the church in the world—a body constantly spreading
itself outward and expanding the reach of the Gospel? How could we ever
worry that the fate of Christianity rests on &lt;em&gt;this &lt;/em&gt;generation and &lt;em&gt;these &lt;/em&gt;immediate
challenges, when we know that we are part of something that will
outlast time? I like what C.S. Lewis says in his essay, “Membership”:
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
	&lt;p&gt;
	The structural position in the church which the humblest
	Christian occupies is eternal and even cosmic. The church will outlive
	the universe; in it the individual person will outlive the universe.
	Everything that is joined to the immortal Head will share his
	immortality… As mere biological entities, each with its separate will
	to live and to expand, we are apparently of no account; we are
	cross-fodder. But as organs in the Body of Christ, as stones and
	pillars in the temple, we are assured of our eternal self-identity and
	shall live to remember the galaxies as an old tale.
	&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
What an amazing thing! Christians need to wake up to the wonder and
privilege and shocking power of what they believe and who they worship.
We need to stop looking nervously to the world to define who we are and
start looking to the Bible and praying for God’s wisdom. We should
spend less time apologizing for all the ways we have failed and spend
more time rejoicing and sharing with others the ways that Christ is
victorious (chiefly: the resurrection!). And rather than pleading with
the Lord to “save us from your followers,” we should simply pray,
“Lord, save us.”
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Because that’s what he does. And that’s why we should care.
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