If nature, or some aspect of it, is intelligently designed, how could we tell? Design inferences in the past were largely informal and intuitive. Usually people knew it when they saw it. Intelligent design, by introducing specified complexity, makes the detection of design rigorous. Something is complex if it is hard to reproduce by chance and specified if it matches an independently given pattern (an example is the faces on Mt. Rushmore). Specified complexity gives a precise criterion for reliably inferring intelligence. 2. Looking for Design in Biology Should biologists be encouraged to look for signs of intelligence in biological systems? Why or why not? Scientists today look for signs of intelligence coming in many places, including from distant space (consider SETI, the search for extraterrestrial intelligence). Yet, many biologists regard it as illegitimate to look for signs of intelligence in biological systems. Why arbitrarily exclude design inferences from biology if we accept them for other scientific disciplines? It is an open question whether the apparent design in nature is real. 3. The Rules of Science Who determines the rules of science? Are these rules written in stone? Is it mandatory that scientific explanations only appeal to matter and energy operating by unbroken natural laws (a principle known as methodological naturalism)? The rules of science are not written in stone. They have been negotiated over many centuries as science (formerly called “natural philosophy”) has tried to understand the natural world. These rules have changed in the past and they will change in the future. Right now much of the scientific community is bewitched by a view of science called methodological naturalism, which says that science may only offer naturalistic explanations. Science seeks to understand nature. If intelligent causes operate in nature, then methodological naturalism must not be used to rule them out. 4. Biology’s Information Problem How do we account for the complex information-rich patterns in biological systems? What is the source of that information? The central problem for biology is information. Living things are not mere lumps of matter. Life is special, and what makes life special is the arrangement of its matter into very specific forms. In other words, what makes life special is information. Where did the information necessary for life come from? Where did the information necessary for the Cambrian explosion come from? How can a blind material process generate the novel information of biological systems? ID argues that such information has an intelligent source. 5. Molecular Machines Do any structures in the cell resemble machines designed by humans? How do we account for such structures? The biological world is full of molecular machines that are strikingly similar to humanly made machines. In fact, they are more than similar. Just about every engineering principle that we employ in our own machines gets used at the molecular level, with this exception: the technology inside the cell vastly exceeds human technology. How, then, do biologists explain the origin of such structures? How can a blind material process generate the multiple coordinated changes needed to build a molecular machine? If we see a level of engineering inside the cell that far surpasses our own abilities, it is reasonable to conclude that these molecular machines are actually, and not merely apparently, designed. 6. Irreducible Complexity What are irreducibly complex systems? Do such systems exist in biology? If so, are those systems evidence for design? If not, why not? The biological world is full of functioning molecular systems that cannot be simplified without losing the system’s function. Take away parts and the system’s function cannot be recovered. Such systems are called irreducibly complex. How do evolutionary theorists propose to account for such systems? What detailed, testable, step-by-step proposals explain the emergence of irreducibly complex machines such as the flagellum? Given that intelligence is known to design such systems, it is a reasonable inference to conclude that they were designed. 7. Similar Structures Human designers reuse designs that work well. Life forms also reuse certain structures (the camera eye, for example, appears in humans and octopuses). How well does this evidence support Darwinian evolution? Does it support intelligent design more strongly? Evolutionary biologists attribute similar biological structures to either common descent or convergence. Structures are said to result from convergence if they evolved independently from distinct lines of organisms. Darwinian explanations of convergence strain credulity because they must account for how trial-and-error tinkering (natural selection acting on random variations) could produce strikingly similar structures in widely different organisms and environments. It’s one thing for evolution to explain similarity by common descent—the same structure is then just carried along in different lineages. It’s another to explain it as the result of blind tinkering that happened to hit on the same structure multiple times. Design proponents attribute such similar structures to common design (just as an engineer may use the same parts in different machines). If human designers frequently reuse successful designs, the designer of nature can surely do the same. 8. Fine-Tuning The laws of physics are fine-tuned to allow life to exist. Since designers are capable of fine-tuning a system, can design be considered the best explanation for the universe? Physicists agree that the constants of nature have a strange thing in common: they seem precisely calibrated for the existence of life. As Frederick Hoyle famously remarked, it appears that someone has “monkeyed” with physics. Naturalistic explanations that attempt to account for this eerie fine-tuning invariably introduce entities for which there is no independent evidence (for example, they invoke multiple worlds with which we have no physical way of interacting). The fine-tuning of the universe strongly suggests that it was intelligently designed. 9. The Privileged Planet The Earth seems ideally positioned in our galaxy for complex life to exist and for scientific discovery to advance. Does this privileged status of Earth indicate intelligent design? Why or why not? Many factors had to come together on earth for human life to exist (chapter 9). We exist in just the right place in just the right type of galaxy at just the right cosmic moment. We orbit the right type of star at the right distance for life. The earth has large surrounding planets to protect us from comets, a moon to direct important life-permitting cycles, and an iron core that protects us from harmful radiation. Moreover, the earth has many features that facilitate scientific discovery, such as a moon that makes possible perfect eclipses. Humans seem ideally situated on the earth to make scientific discoveries. This suggests that a designer designed our place in the world so that we can understand the world’s design. Naturalism, by contrast, leaves it a complete mystery why we should be able to do science and gain insight into the underlying structure of the world. 10. The Origin of the Universe The universe gives every indication of having a beginning. Since something cannot come from nothing, is it legitimate to conclude that a designer made the universe? If not, why not? For most of world history, scientists believed the universe was eternal. With advances in our understanding of cosmology over the last forty years, however, scientists now recognize that the universe had a beginning and is finite in duration and size. In other words, the universe has not always been there. Since the universe had a beginning, why not conclude that it had a designer that brought it into existence? Since matter, space, and time themselves had a beginning, this would suggest that the universe had a non-physical, non-spatial, and non-temporal cause. A designer in the mold of the Christian God certainly fits the bill. Taken from: Understanding Intelligent Design Copyright © 2008 by William A. Dembski and Sean McDowell Published by Harvest House Publishers Eugene, Oregon 97402 www.harvesthousepublishers.com Used by Permission |

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The Flying Spaghetti Monster is my designer.
Blessed be His noodley appendage.
That is not funny, no noodles!
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Come on guys, that's not funny. Didn't you read the evolution-stumping questions above? Clearly it wasn't the Spaghetti Monster as ONLY a "designer in the mold of the Christian God" could ever be possible.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha - ROFL
The ID'ers answer to all 10 questions: The christian god did it.
And they wonder why no one gives them respect...
Why didn't Dembski defend the idea of Intelligent Design & Irreducible Compelxity at the Dover vs Kitzmiller trial instead of running away to hide like a coward? The example of the bacteria flagellum was totally discredited in this trial by Ken Miller, is this still the best example that ID can come up with?
Fine-Tuning & The Privileged Planet are just reframings of the anthrotropic principle which is a totally fallacious & discredited argument. We exist on Earth because the conditions on this specific planet are conducive to our form of live. If the conditions or laws were slightly different then a varient on this form of live would have arisen. Scientists are detecting forms of live in more extreme conditions than ever previously imagine (e.g. extremophiles in mid-ocena vents) which would indicate that many more planets could support a form of life.
Biology’s Information Problem - there is no problem explaining how 'information' in the genome increases. To suggest that there is indicates that the author has no idea of basic genetics since there are many types of mutations which increase the length (& hence information) of a chromosome. A quick search of 'Gene Duplication' will provide details of how this occurs.
Similar Structures - It's hilarious that Dembski chose to use the similarity between the octopus eye and our own as an example of how the Designer copied designs between creatures. There is one very fundamental difference between the human and octopus eyes which is the orientation of the receptor cells on the retina. In octopus's the receptors point forward and the nerves come out the back, in humans the receptors point backward which means that the nerves come out the front of the retina and have to pass through the retina to get to brain. This generates a blind-spot in our vision. This can be explained by evolution, but why would an Intelligent Designer copy such a poor design?
It's hilarious that the author feels that the scientists are 'bewitched' because they won't accept supernatural solutions. That sounds like projection to me. Unfortunately for Dembski et al, as our understanding of genetics increases there are less and less gaps for his designer to hide in.
This is a great example of arguing from a pre-formed conclusion.
Christians want and need ID to be true so badly that they willingly ignore all the evidence to the contrary.
Religious psychology is one of remarkable compartmentalization. In one compartment of the mind facts and evidence are ignored in favor of faith and superstition. This compartment is necessary in order to avoid what other humans have told them will happen to them if they don't worship a particular supernatural being. In another compartment they completely accept the validity of the scientific method and evolution-based scientific discoveries (eg. antibiotics, antivirals, well...virtually all pharmaceutics) when ill or injured. The logic of two individual compartments must never overlap or the faithful is in danger of entertaining doubt. Doubt of the veracity of the holy doctrine. It's a life of constant intellectual contradictions.
My Favorite bit from PZ Myers rather scathing criticism of the illogical twaddle presented above (offered in response to the last sentence of point 6):
"We know that human beings build penis-shaped objects; that does not imply that Bill Dembski's penis is made of silicone and has an on-off switch, let alone that someone made it in an injection-molding machine."
Point three is the one that struck me as particularly hilarious.
"Who determines the rules of science?"
Thousands of years of careful recalibration and revision. And they're pretty straightforward rules. Honesty. Observation. Replication. Falsifiability. They've given us, among other things, computers, medicine, and the space shuttle. You point out that these change, and yet turn around and dredge out the "God did it" excuse. Astonishing.
If, in fact, there were evidence of design, the scientific process would not rule it out. It would observe, and experiment, and predict, and eventually conclude that yes, something did design x object/lifeform. But if design is falsely perceived as a side effect of the human predilection to see purpose and leap to conclusions, then careful application of the scientific process should, beyond a reasonable doubt, rule it out. And it has.
More like 10 questions to fail at biology...
Well, at least Mr. McDowell did not bring up the banana and its famous "intelligently designed suitability for the human hand."
I wonder if he was tempted to include that argument. I'd love to see that come up on thousands of high school biology classes! :)
I am a biology teacher. Here are some answers off the top of my head too late at night:
1. Design Detection
If nature, or some aspect of it, is intelligently designed, how could we tell?
This would be something that is hard-wired into the universe. I am not sure, but the randomness that is inherent in much of quantum mechanics (considering the very little that I understand) would make detecting it very very difficult. On a side note, I am very confused and amused that creationists have much more difficulty with evolution than with quantum mechanics. Quantum mechanics has profoundly more chance involved than evolution.
2. Looking for Design in Biology
Right now, the current paradigm of evolution describes what we observe extremely well. This paradigm does not include a "designer" (read G-D) in it; neither does any scientific theory. Nor, to the best of my knowledge, has any creationist ever proposed a testable scientific hypothesis that describes what we observe in biology today and in the fossil record. Doing this would have to be the first step.
3. The Rules of Science
Who determines the rules of science? Are these rules written in stone? Is it mandatory that scientific explanations only appeal to matter and energy operating by unbroken natural laws (a principle known as methodological naturalism)? Science does assume that the universe is governed by universal unbreakable natural laws. I think that the reason for this is that so far we have yet to observe a single instance of these laws being broken. Personally, I consider this evidence that there is only one god. If there were more than one, then there could not be unbreakable universal natural laws. I personally believe that the belief that G-d broke the laws of nature in creating the universe contradicts the Genesis chapter 1 because, in that chapter, G-d is called elokim. G-d, as elokim, never breaks any laws.
4. Biology’s Information Problem
How do we account for the complex information-rich patterns in biological systems? What is the source of that information? Evolution is the source. I suggest reading "Evolving Inventions" in Scientific American, 2/2003 to learn about how engineers are mimicing evolution to invent machines.
5. Molecular Machines
Do any structures in the cell resemble machines designed by humans? How do we account for such structures? The question assumes that since the technology of the cell is superior to human technology, it must be designed. There is also an assumption that evolution is not directed. Both assumptions are false. If you go to http://epod.usra.edu/blog/2008/04/steens-mountain-and-hanging-valley.htm..., you will find a picture that I took. I am sure that many of you can find landscapes that many people would say are finer works of art than any created by any human artist. The formation of these landscapes are described by geologic theory. The former opinion does not disprove the latter. As to the latter assumption, some parts of the theory of evolution, like mutations, are random. Other parts, major parts, such as natural selection, are not. They are directed--by nature.
6. Irreducible Complexity
What are irreducibly complex systems? Do such systems exist in biology? If so, are those systems evidence for design? If not, why not? To the best of my knowledge, they do not exist. One example, given by creationists, is the bacterial flagella. Biologists have found that proteins used in the flagella are used for other purposes by other bacteria.
7. Similar Structures
Human designers reuse designs that work well. Life forms also reuse certain structures (the camera eye, for example, appears in humans and octopuses). How well does this evidence support Darwinian evolution? Does it support intelligent design more strongly? Homologous structures are not just similar at the structural level. They are also similar at the protein level and at the DNA level. Cladograms made using homologous structures match cladograms made using DNA which match cladograms using the fossil record. Also the molecular clock predictions match the fossil record. On the other hand, would you give a whale the bones of a hand if you were designing it? Why would you use these same bones to make the bones of a bird's wing or use them differently to make the bones of a bat's wing or a human hand or a horse's hoof? Wouldn't you create something new that works better?
8. Fine-Tuning
The laws of physics are fine-tuned to allow life to exist. Since designers are capable of fine-tuning a system, can design be considered the best explanation for the universe? Your point is saying that Joe Shmoe had to win the lottery because he has the winning ticket. Isn't it amazing that out of all of the thousends of sperm that your father made and all of the thousends of eggs that your mother made, that that one sperm fertilized that one egg to produce you? Is that evidence of design?
9. The Privileged Planet
The Earth seems ideally positioned in our galaxy for complex life to exist and for scientific discovery to advance. Does this privileged status of Earth indicate intelligent design? Why or why not? You are making the same assumption made in number 8. I could argue that the chance of life is less than 1 in a 100 trillian. Rarety does not mean that it is impossible for that one planet out of 100 trillian to have complex life or even life at all.
10. The Origin of the Universe
The universe gives every indication of having a beginning. Since something cannot come from nothing, is it legitimate to conclude that a designer made the universe? If not, why not? Actually, quantum mechanics does state that something can come from nothing. Look up virtual particles.
A QUESTION FOR CREATIONISTS
Evidence abounds for a Universe that has been around for long before 4004 BCE. For example, astronomers can see galaxies 13 billion light years away. If the universe began in 4004 BCE, than our telescopes should not be able to see further than 6000 light years. Multiple sources of radioactive dating point to the age of the Earth as 4.5 billion years. Your "hypothesis" of a young universe has been as strongly rejected as the hypothesis of a geocentric universe. My question to you is this: IS G-D A LIER? AND IF SO WHY? HOW DO RECONCILE THIS VIEW WITH EARLIER THEOLOGIANS LIKE THOMAS AQUINAS AND PHILO AND MAIMONIDES WHO HELD THE OPPOSITE VIEW?
"A QUESTION FOR CREATIONISTS
Evidence abounds for a Universe that has been around for long before 4004 BCE. For example, astronomers can see galaxies 13 billion light years away. If the universe began in 4004 BCE, than our telescopes should not be able to see further than 6000 light years. Multiple sources of radioactive dating point to the age of the Earth as 4.5 billion years. Your "hypothesis" of a young universe has been as strongly rejected as the hypothesis of a geocentric universe. My question to you is this: IS G-D A LIER?"
No where in the bible does it say the universe is 6000 years old. it only states ADAM & EVE were created then, in fact BOTH male and female were called ADAM by God, ADAM meaning homosapien. they were the first homosapiens.
Solomon tells us of others that existed before "US" (homosapiens) and that there is no memory of this time.
Ecc 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Ecc 1:10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
Ecc 3:15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.
Neanderthal did exist before we did in "old time".
the issue of the origin of the universe is the most fascinating question, i guess, anyone could ask a biology teacher. there are so many theories about this. i even read an interesting article written by Joe Holt. anyone of us could come up with a theory on how the universe started. but for students out there, a great discussion on the origin of the universe is the start of their qustsions about life.
Good evening:
If I may offer a partial response to the esteemed biology teacher, and by the way sir, thank you for your service in the system.
Re: "Is God a liar?" the answer is no, by definition. The God of the Christian Bible is characterized by the impossibility of telling a lie, - that would be antithetical to truth, which the Bible declares originates from God.
In reference to Aquinas, et. al., well of course they were not afforded the opportunity to examine current science - but to assume that they were ill-informed and possibly unintelligible would commit the fallacy of chronological snobbery.
If I may offer: due to the fact that we do not really understand much about the essence and nature of quantum physics, I submit that it is premature to make propositional distinctions based upon a Nubian science which we so little understand.
The fact that we do not understand it very well is not evidence that we can make definitive conclusions concerning metaphysics. The 'randomness' of quantum physics does not, in itself, provide proof of randomness - merely that we have not yet attained a threshold of any type of unified theory to explain the mechanics of it. This argument merely demonstrates our ignorance - not, a platform with which to begin making metaphysical absolutes.
If I tell my friend to take my flashlight and run up the road as fast as he can, the dimension is changed in size, but not in visibility. It does not matter how far, nor how long he runs. This, of course, assumes that there will be no variation in the forces that influence the experiment.
However, in the space-time continuum, astronomers and physicists are well aware of the fact that time is influenced by additional factors. There are such things as time distillations and distortions due to gravitational forces which do, in fact, distort both time and distance in space.
No one really understands the phenomena of black holes and their effects on time and space.
13 billion miles away, in our eyes, without the exact knowledge of the external spatial influences, may not necessarily be 13 billion miles.
I have some other philosophical problems with your arguments, but you're right - its very late and I'm tired too.
Just thinking,
Thank you.
A lot of well thought out messages in this discussion. I think the original ten questions are a good starting point, and many people have come along to state their contrary opinions. However, when discussing the ultimate question of "how did we come to be" it's difficult to answer in a few hundred lines of text.
Some of us simply rely on faith, and the word of that magnetic messenger, Jesus. In him we find our truth.
There are a lot of great points here, but I'm not sure I agree with real-time search being discarded. I agree that it's not very relevant,but isn't the point of it to show what people are currently saying about a topic.
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The Design In Which We Live:
Quantum Mechanics Of Life
Life's Evolution Is The Quantum Mechanics Of Biology
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2SF3CJJM5OU6T27OC4MFQSDYEU/blog/articles/271915?...
From "Essence Of Quantum Mechanics"
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2SF3CJJM5OU6T27OC4MFQSDYEU/blog/articles/245916?...
The universe, and life within it, are not just conglomerations of mechanisms. The universe, and life within it, have come into being by the nature of energy-mass dualism, and their fate, their final outcome, is governed by this dualism. The genesis and, most probable cyclic, existence of the universe are governed by the energy-mass relationship.
Energy-mass relationship governs also the routes, the mechanisms, of cosmic and life evolutions.
Mechanisms do not set/determine the classical physics fate states. Mechanisms are routes of evolution between classical physics fate states. Quantum mechanics are mechanisms, probable, possible and actual mechanisms of getting from one to other classical physics states WITHIN the expanse from cosmic singularity to the maximum expanded universe and back to singularity states.
The universe is the archetype of quantum within classical physics. This is the fractal oneness of the universe. Astronomically there are two physics. A classical Newtonian physics behaviour of and between galactic clusters, and a quantum physics behaviour WITHIN the galactic clusters.
Life's Evolution Is The Quantum Mechanics Of Biology.
UNRAVEL COMPLEXITIES OF GENETICS. Extend Evolution/Natural Selection Backward To Genes/Genomes.
BOTH ARE ORGANISMS.
The origin-reason and the purpose-fate of life are mechanistic, ethically and practically valueless. Life is the cheapest commodity on Earth.
It is up to humans themselves to elect the purpose and format of their life as individuals and as group-members.
Dov Henis
(Comments From 22nd Century)
Figments Of Science Imagination
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2SF3CJJM5OU6T27OC4MFQSDYEU/blog/articles/273273?...
"Rethink Evolution/Natural Selection"
http://darwiniana.com/2011/03/26/in-evolution-last-really-can-be-first/c...
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The universe is very complex I should say. And I don't think we will ever really fully grasp its complexity. But we continue to significant advances and that is mentionable.
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