“I thank God for truth. I’ve thanked God for many things in my life, but never thought about thanking God for allowing me to truly know Him.” These powerful words were spoken by one of my students last night as we debriefed from our mission trip to Salt Lake City, Utah. She was heartbroken that so many well meaning people believe a false gospel and yet, for the first time, she was truly grateful to know the truth. My heart was truly touched to hear a high school student speak these words. For the past three days our team of six leaders and twenty-three students have been interacting with Mormon students at BYU, knocking on doors throughout Salt Lake City to talk about the gospel, and touring Temple Square to learn about the history and doctrine of Mormonism. My friend and fellow conversantlife blogger Brett Kunkle planned and organized the trip for us. I often tell my students to seek truth with all their hearts and minds, for that is what sets us free (John 8:32). If Christianity were not true, then don’t follow it (1 Corinthians 15:14, 17). But if it is true, then follow it with all your heart. Thus, we approached mission to Mormons as truth-seekers wiling to be persuaded if the case for Mormonism were convincing. This doesn’t mean we lack convictions or commitments to Scripture, but that we truly want to hear people out and understand why they believe as they do. My first conversation at BYU was with a couple young Mormon missionaries. After we chit chatted for a few moments I asked them how they know Mormonism is true. In other words, why should I believe Joseph Smith is a real prophet? He gave the standard Mormon response from Moroni 10:4, which says: “And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.” In other words, he asked me to pray about the book of Mormon and to trust my heart. I kindly pointed out that this is circular reasoning (there’s also a problem about trusting the heart: Jeremiah 17:9; Mark 7:21). In other words, if we want to know the truth of the Book of Mormon (BM) we can’t use a verse in the BM as our standard. To follow this advice is to assume its truth, which is the very issue at stake. Here’s what such reasoning looks like: QUESTION: “How do I know the BM is true?” RESPONSE: “Follow the advice of Moroni 10:4, which says to pray about it and trust your heart.” QUESTION: “But if the truth of the BM is at stake, how can I trust Moroni 10:4.” RESPONSE: “Because the BM is the Word of God and Moroni 10:4 is in the BM.” QUESTION: “Wait a minute, if we want to know the veracity of the BM, how can we use the BM?” Such reasoning is obviously circular. Muslims do this as well. One of the missionaries asked me how I know the Bible is true, so I pointed to both internal and external evidence such as non-biblical writers and archaeology. I requested one external verifiable fact that corroborates the BM and they couldn’t give me one—not one. According to Mormons the golden plates that Joseph Smith translated were taken to heaven, and any remains from the huge cities and wars in America have disappeared. Such lack of confirmation would be quite disconcerting to me if I were a Mormon. And yet many seem either unaware or unconcerned. As I walked away one of the missionaries said, “Be sure to keep an open mind.” So I asked him how many books he’s read that are critical of Mormonism. Of course he had not read a single book. None! I listed off many of the anti-Christian books I’ve read by Dawkins, Russell, Hitchens and others and then simply left him with a question: “In light of this, who of us is the most open-minded?" I don’t point this out to pretend I have a ready-answer for everything. That would be very far from the truth. Many times I thought of a better answer after the conversation. But I’ll be ready next time. My goal was not necessarily to convert him, (or the other people I talked with) but to lovingly challenge him to reconsider his convictions. Or to put a stone in his shoe, as Greg Koukl says. This is only one sample of a conversation from our trip. To me, the most significant aspect of the trip was how willingly the students were to engage in conversations as well. They loved the challenge! In fact, after the first night of ministry they were so motivated to learn theology that half the group stayed up until about 1am studying the Bible and the Book of Mormon. I had to make them go to bed. They wanted to be better prepared for the next day. And many of them were. Trips like these can really be life changing for students. In fact, every student needs to experience it. One girl had a long conversation with a Mormon student who was very hostile to Christianity. She cried afterwards because she was so heartbroken that he (and the rest of the 30,000 or so students at BYU) believes a false gospel (See 2 Corinthians 11:13-14). |

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Sean,
Thank you for providing such a trip, and preparing your students for such a great, though heartbreaking and humbling, experience. More and more I wish you taught in New England so at the very least I could audit your classes! The Gospel is safe in hands and hearts like yours, and those of your students. May god keep you strong!
Ed
I am a Mormon and most definitely a Christian.
The poor 19-year-old missionary probably didn't know what hit him. He should have been more prepared, but what can you do?
I studied the Bible and the Book of Mormon for seven years in religious Institute (LDS) and seminary, and as I continue my studies, I just know. I have had challenges with my faith, but when it comes down to it, I just know I have the faith that it is true.
It makes me a better person and brings me closer to God, which I think we all as Christians can agree is a good thing.
Take care.
My wife's family has an Aunt and Uncle along with many cousins who are Mormon. I love them and we have such a great time when we are together. Many of us have shared our faith with them. I have to say that it is very difficult to get an LDS member to see critically of their own religion or beliefs, mostly due to the fact of what you shared about their unwillingness or lack testing the BM and circulating.
I am currently reading a book titled "The Mormon Mirage" written by a former LDS member Latayne C. Scott as she shares her journey in the LDS and later conversion to Christianity. She cites in her own words "the lack of archaeological findings, false prophecies, supressed history, and constantly changing doctrine of the Mormonism of the past."
If only more in the LDS would look critically at their faith.
As a former mormon, I want to thank you for taking some time to share the good news with the LDS people in Utah. It's awesome to hear, and I knwo at times it may be frustrating, you are planting seeds of truth. My extended family prayed for me for 19 yrs before I finally came to surrender my life to Christ. Almost 3 yrs ago, I resigned from the LDS church -- it has been the best singular decision of my life. Nothing compares to the JOY & Peace of living a life grounded in God's unchanging word and of knowing HIm and being known by Him. He truly is the ONE true God, and I am blessed beyond measure to be called His.
God bless you for the work you are doing among the Mormons -- they are a beautiful people in need of God's saving grace ~
Gloria
I take it that the Mormon idea is that God can confirm a truth directly to the individual's heart, and that this type of confirmation provides sufficient justification/warrant for any truth.
A question for Sean: can you show that this Mormon idea is necessarily misguided? If not, where does this leave your charge that their "reasoning is obviously circular," and that a lack of external verification should be "disconcerting"?
You might think that Abraham somehow knew that it was God (and not, e.g., the devil) who was asking him to kill his son Isaac. But how do you suppose Abraham knew this?
Hi, CT -
Great question! I actually agree that God can speak directly to a person such as Abraham, other OT prophets, or even us today. Paul says God's Spirit speaks directly to our hearts in Galatians 4:6. But, of course, I would not try to show the truth of Christianity to a non-believer by pointing to this verse.
For the Mormon missionary to prove that God speaks directly to us he pointed to Mormon Scriptures, which was the question at hand. As I wrote, many other religions make the same claim. Why should an "outsider" accept this test for truth when it comes from the very book that is in question?
William Lane Craig has a helpful way of explaining this issue. He says that someone can know God is real by the testimony of the spirit, but can only show it to someone else by evidence. In my opinion, the complete lack of external evidence for Mormonism should be disconcerting and cause honest Mormons to consider if they have honestly heard from the Spirit in their acceptance of the testimony regarding the BM.
One difference between Abraham and the Mormon challenge is that God gave cognitive information to him when he was not actually seeking God (Gen 12:1-3) whereas Mormons begin with a particular test for God and confirm it with a feeling.
Sean, thank you for the detailed reply.
Suppose, however, that Abraham asked himself whether the spirit telling him to kill Isaac was really the same spirit who had previously given him the Gen 12:1-3 promise--and not, e.g., the deceptive voice of Satan scheming to destroy Abraham's lineage. Is there anything about the voice of God that Satan could not in principle mimic?
If not, then it seems that Abraham's only recourse would be to trust that God would not allow Satan to deceive him in this way. But this seems to mean that Abraham had to trust God that the voice which he took to be God's was in fact God’s. While this gives new meaning to Abraham's great faith, it is also troubling. For, suppose that we also interpret the Mormon as responding to you as follows: "You've asked me how I know that this 'burning in the bosom' is a confirmation from God that the Book of Mormon is true, and here is my answer: like Abraham, I have faith that God would not allow me to be deceived about this feeling in my heart."
What is troubling is that there doesn’t seem to be any way to effectively challenge the Mormon while honoring Abraham. Even if (counterfactually) the Book of Mormon gave explicit instructions to ritually sacrifice live children, such a challenge would obviously not undermine Abrahamic faith in the Book of Mormon. And if such moral repugnancies couldn’t override Abrahamic faith, it’s not likely that New World archaeological findings (or the lack thereof), or any other of the typically offered “external evidences," should.
Sean, what gospel is it you follow, do you know the history of it? Please don't say anything Baptist or any other of the broken truths that fell away from the great whore of the earth. Your circular is more like muslims than the Mormon Miss. No where in that scripture does it say "trust in your heart", that is same kind of bate and switch the advasary uses, do you follow him? It says " and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ" That means ask if and only if you really want to know! Your Philsophy's of Men Mingled With scripture is exactly what Paul was talking about, and Yes I can trace the hands that ordained me DIRECTLY back to THE CHRIST's Hands, what church are you from again and where was it started. I'm a convert and have read everything ANTI Mormom all of it is the same circular crap you profess here, bla, bla, bla...
effective, coherent post. def some rocks in some shoes.
Hello CT,
I am believer of Christ and Deaf. Let you know that my english is not wonderful as my primary language, American Sign Language. I hope you can understand my english.
I want to know if you are devout Muslim? If so, Is the book of Mormon and Holy Bible match 100% and no conflict ?? Thank you so much
Curly
Sorry. CT.. I mean if you are devout Mormon... LOL
Curly
No Felipe, I'm not devout towards any of these religions.
Sean,
Excellent to hear the report from the mission field. I went last year with a group from Oak Hills in Minnesota and we partnered with some students from Master's College and had an amazing time. Spent a week making friends with students from Weber State and challenging each other while visiting the Salt Lake Valley to learn the history of Mormonism. I've been praying that God will lead me there to minister with Utah Partnership for Christ. We were also fortunate to arrive at the time a new Temple wasbeing dedicated, so it was open to the public. Our team all confirmed it was probably the darkest place we had ever been, even though it was visually stunning. Well I could write forever about our experience there but I think it is important for Christians to understand Mormonism and be prepared to defend their faith and most of all not be swayed by the Mormon message. I know people who are swayed by the family values of Mormonism which makes it much easier to believe.