Welcometo my first blog here on conversantlife. How does one even begin a blog of this sort? Posting a first blog often seems to set thetone of the whole course of one's blog. To be quite honest, this makes me a bit nervous, partially because I aman extreme perfectionist, and partially because people may then see me as beinga certain way and then I may have to actually live up to those standards. At any rate, here we go, but first my slightly apprehensive disclaimer that I hope that my blog will continually be evolving, much like my own self and thought. I hope that my participation in this site will be a learning experience, and I view it as a bit of an experiment. So here we go with some recent thoughts I have been having as I do some reading. However, I ran across a quote from C.S. Lewis not long ago when I was reading that I thought addressed this issue very well. Lewis speaks of how we often worry about people viewing heaven as a bribe, instead of living out an embodied kingdom of God here and now. It is as if people try to take heaven by force, and are selfish about it. However, Lewis addresses this by saying: "It is not so. Heaven offers nothing that a mercenary soul can desire. It is safe to tell the pure in heart that they shall see God, for only the pure in heart want to. There are rewards that do not sully motives. A man's love for a woman is not mercenary because he wants to marry her, nor his love for poetry mercenary because he wants to read it, nor his love of exercise less disinterested because he wants to run and leap and walk. Love, by definition, seeks to enjoy its object." C.S. Lewis here points out that we need not worry about people's motives for only the pure in heart are the ones who are able to truly desire what is true and good. Those desiring the end result without truly following the life laid out by the revolutionary man named Jesus do not have a self-sacrificing life in mind, but a selfish end-result in mind. They do not truly desire what Heaven entails, but merely an earthly reflection of their own self-imagined paradise. Phil |

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Phil, welcome to Conversant! It's great having you on board, and your first blog is a delight. Of course, you can't go wrong bringing C.S. Lewis into the conversation. I have read that portion before, but I really like your comments and reflection on what he writes. Have you seen N.T. Wright's book on heaven? I read the interview in Christianity Today, entitled "Heaven Is Not Our Home" (http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2008/april/13.36.html). Fascinating perspective! Wright says that heaven isn't just a future place/event, but something that starts here on earth when we trust in Christ by faith. In this sense, the "hereafter" heaven is "life after life after death," not simply "life after death."
Great first comment...but not quite what Wright meant. The popular 'heaven' concept is 'life after death'...but it's not the end of the story. The end of the story is 'life AFTER life after death' - the resurrection.
I agree, though...let's not take heaven out of the equation...let's redefine it.
Jesus didn't come to bring us to heaven as much as he came to bring heaven to us ("The Kingdom of Heaven is near...")
I've been discovering that the 'good news of the kingdom of God' that Jesus actually taught is less concerned with a 'spiritual' afterlife as much as it is interested in bringing the reign of God to our real world...culminating not in our disembodied spiritual life afterward (temporary) but our resurrection life, both now and when heaven and earth are finally brought together (Rev 22).
This has serious implications for how we live now. The spiritual life isn't separate from the body, but is about fast-forwarding in a way...living with the reality of the reign of God now even though much of it is not yet.
Joey, I couldn't agree more with you in regards to what you said in your last two paragraphs. This was my point exactly about taking heaven out of the equation. (Perhaps I spoke in extremes to illustrate the point). Sometimes we get so caught up in the reward of heaven, that it is not about the here and now. I think that the afterlife, although part of Christ's theology is but a small part. Much of what he meant when he said "the kingdom of heaven is near/at hand" was related to proximity as far as it being here and now, not as in "coming soon."
We do a dis-service by seeing heaven as a far-off reward instead of being a part of the way we live here and now.
It seems that this view of the afterlife is also often tainted by one's view of eschatology. If one has a dispensational sort of view stating that the world will continue to worsen until the return of the Lord, it is difficult to image the kingdom of Heaven being here and now. It is difficult to imagine that Jesus was actually ushering in this new sort of revolutionary Kingdom. This kingdom of Jesus actually strives to improve life here and now rather than looking to a future reality to save us from all of the temporal world's troubles.
I met a man once who gave his life to Christ, repenting of his sin and accepting forgiveness and a new relationship with Christ, and didn't learn until sometime later that this included going to heaven after he died.
The kingdom of heaven can be understood to be personal and relational and independent of our eschatology. The kingdom of heaven can penetrate our life without changing world politics.
That said, Jesus did say a lot about heaven and hell. I don't think it was a small part of his teaching. Neither was his description of how citizens of the kingdom should be living in the here and now.